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re: Welcome to the "frick the fumble through the endzone" rule Saints fans
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:50 pm to GRTiger
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:50 pm to GRTiger
quote:This is a presentist view. In the days when teams scored fewer than 14 points a game and sometimes punted on third down, this rule didn’t seem so cruel and made perfect sense. Now that teams sometimes score points on 60% of their possessions, the rule is necessarily heavier, and people who don’t understand the game take issue with the rule itself when the real issue is the perversion of the game for tv ratings.
Such an arbitrary and unnecessarily punitive rule.
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:51 pm to Yak
quote:Well it isn’t live. It is downed somewhere. Where is that?
It's not, which is the issue I thought
There’s your answer.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:54 pm to WestCoastAg
We gonna do this again where the haters don’t understand that the end zone is different from the rest of the field?
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:54 pm to xiv
quote:The ball is downed with no possesion, yet the defense gets rewarded, that's the rub
Well it isn’t live. It is downed somewhere. Where is that?
There’s your answer.
I'm still fine with the current ruling though
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:55 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
except that has nothing to do with possession and advancing the ball. the endzone is different. but even when considering that, every single other rule that exists with the endzone is lock and step with what is considered advancing the ball.....except when you fumble out of it
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:56 pm to Yak
quote:There’s no rub if you just say where the ball is downed. I can tell you know what I mean.
The ball is downed with no possesion, yet the defense gets rewarded, that's the rub
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:57 pm to xiv
The ball should go to the last team to possess it. They treat the endzone like some magical safe zone. Fumble at the one inch line, it's all good. Fumble an inch more into the pile on, you lose the ball and the other team is spotted 20 yards. It's nonsense.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:58 pm to xiv
quote:I do...but I'm always game for this debate in particular
I can tell you know what I mean.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:00 pm to GRTiger
quote:
They treat the endzone like some magical safe zone
Yeah, cause it is
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:02 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
so it makes complete sense to completely go YOLO on this one rule when every single other rule holds in regards to the endzone
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 11:03 pm
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:03 pm to WestCoastAg
Saints won.
So why would anyone care about this?
You shouldn't be rewarded for being careless with the football at the endzone by diving for it while you wouldn't be rewarded at midfield for fumbling either.
If nobody can recover the fumble - the last person to touch it makes perfect sense that it's a turnover.
What if you fumbled in the endzone and as is the wont of the fumbling team, they boot it out of the endzone for a touchback to save it being a TD for the opposing team.
Now you're saying, the touchback is bullshite and that the team that fumbled in the endzone and then booted it out of the endzone to save it from being an opponent's TD - should NOW get the ball back at the 2 yard line as if nothing had happened?
This has been discussed ad naseum and the anti-fumble through the endzone crowd has no legitimate argument.
Not only the above, but a player could intentionally fumble forward in the hopes he could recover it in the endzone if time was running out and he was about to get tackled.
There are a ton of reasons why a fumble through the endzone makes sense and only one reason why it doesn't.
So why would anyone care about this?
You shouldn't be rewarded for being careless with the football at the endzone by diving for it while you wouldn't be rewarded at midfield for fumbling either.
If nobody can recover the fumble - the last person to touch it makes perfect sense that it's a turnover.
What if you fumbled in the endzone and as is the wont of the fumbling team, they boot it out of the endzone for a touchback to save it being a TD for the opposing team.
Now you're saying, the touchback is bullshite and that the team that fumbled in the endzone and then booted it out of the endzone to save it from being an opponent's TD - should NOW get the ball back at the 2 yard line as if nothing had happened?
This has been discussed ad naseum and the anti-fumble through the endzone crowd has no legitimate argument.
Not only the above, but a player could intentionally fumble forward in the hopes he could recover it in the endzone if time was running out and he was about to get tackled.
There are a ton of reasons why a fumble through the endzone makes sense and only one reason why it doesn't.
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:03 pm to WestCoastAg
You’ve been explained that that is not true countless times so why should I also try? Yet, here I am...
If you gain one yard at the 50 yard line, nothing happens. If you gain one yard at the one yard line, why is that treated as a magical zone where you get 6 points and possession changes?
If you gain one yard at the 50 yard line, nothing happens. If you gain one yard at the one yard line, why is that treated as a magical zone where you get 6 points and possession changes?
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 11:04 pm
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:04 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
Magical
Magical
Like we're treating real life like a fricking Xbox game
Magical
Like we're treating real life like a fricking Xbox game
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:05 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:if i fumble the ball at the one and it goes out of bounds at the half yard line im ok. but if i fumble at the 3 and it goes through the end zone im screwed. in the first situation, i was careless with the ball closer to the goal line and was not penalized
You shouldn't be rewarded for being careless with the football at the endzone by diving for it while you wouldn't be rewarded at midfield for fumbling either.
quote:what? we have a rule that says you can not fumble the ball forward out of bounds. that is it. we have magically decided that rule doesnt apply just because
This has been discussed ad naseum and the anti-fumble through the endzone crowd has no legitimate argument.
quote:he can also do this at any other point in the field and we have decided its ok for him to do so
Not only the above, but a player could intentionally fumble forward in the hopes he could recover it in the endzone if time was running out and he was about to get tackled.
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:07 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
quote:because i legally possessed the ball and advanced it into the endzone. how many more times does this have to be explained?
If you gain one yard at the 50 yard line, nothing happens. If you gain one yard at the one yard line, why is that treated as a magical zone where you get 6 points and possession changes?
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:08 pm to WestCoastAg
I can't believe folks are arguing your point
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:08 pm to WestCoastAg
Wait so there are zones at the ends of the field that have different rules?
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:08 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
Stick to hoops amigo
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:09 pm to WestCoastAg
Any ball that goes through your own endzone for any reason when the other team had possession is a touchback and your ball.
Kickoff
Punt
Fumble
Kickoff
Punt
Fumble
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:10 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
so why do we not change every single rule with regards to the ball and the endzone? why are incompletions into the endzone not considered a change in possession like fumbles are? if endzones are so humongously different, why do we only completely change the rules to the game in one certain circumstance?
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