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re: Welcome to the "frick the fumble through the endzone" rule Saints fans

Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:10 pm to
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:10 pm to
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The ball should go to the last team to possess it.
It will as soon as that team takes it from the team whose end zone they put it in.
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:11 pm to
but kicks and punts are completely different from advancing the ball forward and have their own completely different set of rules
Posted by rockchlkjayhku11
Cincinnati, OH
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:12 pm to
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so why do we not change every single rule with regards to the ball and the endzone? why are incompletions into the endzone not considered a change in possession like fumbles are? if endzones are so humongously different, why do we only completely change the rules to the game in one certain circumstance?


Lol, on that note, good night man. Until next time this happens
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 11:13 pm
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:13 pm to
that is literally what you are saying is ok and makes sense
Posted by Sun God
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:14 pm to
Your argument is "rules are rules bro"

Would you not agree that there are dumb rules in everything in life? Should we never complain about them?
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 11:15 pm
Posted by GRTiger
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:15 pm to
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Wait so there are zones at the ends of the field that have different rules?


Yes, and they all make sense and make it possible for the game to exist except one really random, stupid one.

There is already a built-in benefit if the defense actually recovers the ball in the endzone (possession plus ball at the 20). Gaining possession when you let the other team march it down to your goal line and don't even recover the ball is silly.
Posted by bigberg2000
houston, from chalmette
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:17 pm to
Yeah it’s a terrible rule.
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:19 pm to
and further more, im confused as to why you think that is ridiculous. you mean to tell me that you cant just willy nilly alter the fundamental rules of football because the endzone is involved? oh really? tell me more
Posted by rockchlkjayhku11
Cincinnati, OH
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:19 pm to
The end zone belongs to the defense. If you fumble the ball in their end zone and don’t recover it, it is theirs. If you possess the ball and advance into it, you score, but again, the ball is now theirs. The rule is consistent and makes sense.

The argument is not that rules are rules and everything is correct. The argument is that within the framework of the game, that endzone belongs to the defense. This is very clear. The end zone has its own set of rules not because it is inconsistent, but because it is a different area of the field and the most important area of the field.

How come a foul in the box in Soccer is a penalty kick and not just a free kick like the rest of the field? The box is treated differently becausd it is the most important area on the field and has different rules apply to it. This analogy is far from perfect, but is used to illustrate that other games have different rules for different areas of the field.
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 11:21 pm
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:21 pm to
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The end zone has its own set of rules not because it is inconsistent, but because it is a different area of the field and the most important area of the field.
and every single one of those rules is consistent with the rules on possession and advancement of the ball.....except for this one
Posted by Sun God
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:22 pm to
So you think it makes more sense to adhere to your arcane endzone rules than follow what happens anywhere else on a fumble?

Aight
Posted by GRTiger
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:22 pm to
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How come a foul in the box in Soccer is a penalty kick and not just a free kick like the rest of the field? The box is treated differently becausd it is the most important area on the field and has different rules apply to it. This analogy is far from perfect, but is used to illustrate that other games have different rules for different areas of the field.


That's a benefit to the offense that has advanced the ball into the defense's key area.

The fumble rule would be like giving team A a PK if the forward on team B tackled the defender of team A in team A's box.
Posted by xiv
Parody. #AdminsRule
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:26 pm to
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So you think it makes more sense to adhere to your arcane endzone rules than follow what happens anywhere else on a fumble?

Aight
Yes.

Gain 11 from the 50, keep possession and score no points.

Gain 11 from the 10, lose possession and score 6 or more points.

OMG why’s that different?!?!?!
Posted by Hurricane Mike
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:26 pm to
Sean Payton got cute and it bit him the arse once again

You give it to Ingram there and if close enough do the Brees jump on 4th down or kick a FG. Not give it to a WR who apparently can't get open because we have 1 WR and then let him fumble.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
145153 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:27 pm to
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Gain 11 from the 50, keep possession and score no points.

Gain 11 from the 10, lose possession and score 6 or more points.

OMG why’s that different?!?!?!

it is amazing that so many people think this is a legitimate point
Posted by xiv
Parody. #AdminsRule
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:27 pm to
quote:

it is amazing that so many people think this is a legitimate point
My end zone. My ball.

You can make the points when you take the ball from me
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:28 pm to
On the 50 the ball is spotted where it's fumbled

On your second example it's a touchback

Thanks for proving WCAs point
Posted by G The Tiger Fan
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:32 pm to
The guy who is a fan of a team that was recently in the Big 12 can only empathize with the offense and wants to change perfectly good rules so the offense can score more points. I'm shocked.
Posted by xiv
Parody. #AdminsRule
Member since Feb 2004
39508 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:33 pm to
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On the 50 the ball is spotted where it's fumbled
I say this earnestly: if you think this is a good point and think that the fumble touchback rule is a nonsensical rule, you don’t understand sports and are not a man.

You people are like the few girlfriends I’ve tried to explain an intentional safety to. “But that GIVES them points? That don’t make no since!”
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
44874 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:36 pm to
So baws should just start accidentally let the ball go out of bounds forward when they're being tackled?

That makes perfect "since"
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