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re: Watching 1985 NBA Finals on ESPN Classic... they aren't that good...
Posted on 7/23/13 at 4:08 pm to Wild Thang
Posted on 7/23/13 at 4:08 pm to Wild Thang
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He would drop a 50/20 split every game
This isn't 1973 Kareem we're talking about here. This is 1986 Kareem who has old and washed up and on his last leg. Kareem would probably get his 18/12 but that's it. And Kareem was never a great rim protector by any stretch so Lebron and DWade would be able to drive with impunity.
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Posted on 7/23/13 at 4:08 pm to lsupride87
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Kinda like Duncan dropped a 50/20?
Are you really comparing Duncan to the Top Scorer of all time?
Posted on 7/23/13 at 4:09 pm to Wild Thang
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He would drop a 50/20 split every game
Posted on 7/23/13 at 4:11 pm to lsupride87
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Exactly. It is ridiculous to think the 1985 team could compete. It isnt a knock on the older generation. The 1985 team would crush the 1958 team. Just like the 2040 team would crush the 2013
if you gave guys like Magic today's advances, then obviously they'd be some of the NBA's top players... but a matchup purely based on a team from 1985 and a team from 2013... there's no comparison.
Posted on 7/23/13 at 4:12 pm to lsupride87
Check out 1988.
Lewis ran a 9.92, and three other guys ran sub 10.0 times. Of course, Johnson was one at 9.79, which is the same time Gatlin ran in London. Gatlin has now been attached to a failed PED test, so aside from Bolt lapping the field essentially, the guy who cut the tape in 1988 finished with the same time as the bronze medal winner in 2012. Sure, that's improvement, but I didn't argue there was no improvement. I argued against exponential improvement. The improvement has been pretty slight, and we could attribute that to simple better technology or even the pace rabbit effect (no one could break the sound barrier until Yeager, but once we knew it was possible, everyone did it).
It's been 24 years since Seoul, so look at how the 88 guys compared to 24 years prior. No one in the field cracked 10 seconds (10.06 was the winning time and 10.25 was the silver medal). The median time went from 10.42 to 9.99 to 9.80. The times in 1964 crush those in 1956, when amateurism still held sway. The gold medal time was 10.62. The median time was 10.79. And that was only 8 years prior.
The rate of improvement is slowing considerably. I do think athletes get progressively better, but I also think people way overestimate how much better.
Let's look at the mile. Gold medal winning time in 1964, 1988, and 2012? 3:38, 3:35, 3:34. The median time? 3:40, 3:37, 3:36. Almost imperceptible improvement. In almost 50 years, we've shave four seconds off the mile time, and only 1 second in 24 years.
Lewis ran a 9.92, and three other guys ran sub 10.0 times. Of course, Johnson was one at 9.79, which is the same time Gatlin ran in London. Gatlin has now been attached to a failed PED test, so aside from Bolt lapping the field essentially, the guy who cut the tape in 1988 finished with the same time as the bronze medal winner in 2012. Sure, that's improvement, but I didn't argue there was no improvement. I argued against exponential improvement. The improvement has been pretty slight, and we could attribute that to simple better technology or even the pace rabbit effect (no one could break the sound barrier until Yeager, but once we knew it was possible, everyone did it).
It's been 24 years since Seoul, so look at how the 88 guys compared to 24 years prior. No one in the field cracked 10 seconds (10.06 was the winning time and 10.25 was the silver medal). The median time went from 10.42 to 9.99 to 9.80. The times in 1964 crush those in 1956, when amateurism still held sway. The gold medal time was 10.62. The median time was 10.79. And that was only 8 years prior.
The rate of improvement is slowing considerably. I do think athletes get progressively better, but I also think people way overestimate how much better.
Let's look at the mile. Gold medal winning time in 1964, 1988, and 2012? 3:38, 3:35, 3:34. The median time? 3:40, 3:37, 3:36. Almost imperceptible improvement. In almost 50 years, we've shave four seconds off the mile time, and only 1 second in 24 years.
Posted on 7/23/13 at 4:13 pm to PrimeTime Money
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And as individuals, they are just alright
How old are you??? 12??????
BTW You are a dumbass for this statement.........
Posted on 7/23/13 at 4:14 pm to Kracka
quote:kareem averaged 22/8 in 85,Duncan 18/10, not exactly a huge difference.
Are you really comparing Duncan to the Top Scorer of all time?
Posted on 7/23/13 at 4:21 pm to lowspark12
I agree. I'm not knocking 1985 basketball or the players. I just don't see how the 1985 Lakers would beat a team like the 2013 Heat.
I just don't see it from a team basketball standpoint, individual player standpoint, or athletic standpoint. I just don't see it happening.
I just don't see it from a team basketball standpoint, individual player standpoint, or athletic standpoint. I just don't see it happening.
Posted on 7/23/13 at 4:25 pm to PrimeTime Money
My biggest pet peeve is when people talk about how much more physical the games were in the 80s, simply because of a Rambis clothesline or the bad boy Pistons. There were definitely more hard fouls, but today's game has a ton more banging play in play out.
I've watched those 80s Boston/LA series' many times on Classic and Youtube. They are a ton of fun to watch, but guys were literally playing ZERO defense. There was almost no effort to stop anybody.
People should watch the defensive sets when they get a chance. Defenders literally sagged 5-6 feet off of their man on the perimeter. In the post, the offensive player could come down and plant himself in whatever spot he wanted. The defender didn't even fight him for position.
I've watched those 80s Boston/LA series' many times on Classic and Youtube. They are a ton of fun to watch, but guys were literally playing ZERO defense. There was almost no effort to stop anybody.
People should watch the defensive sets when they get a chance. Defenders literally sagged 5-6 feet off of their man on the perimeter. In the post, the offensive player could come down and plant himself in whatever spot he wanted. The defender didn't even fight him for position.
Posted on 7/23/13 at 4:27 pm to dukke v
quote:Let me get this straight... you are a grown man, and you enter this thread not to discuss basketball, but to call people dumbasses and 12 year olds?
How old are you??? 12?????? BTW You are a dumbass for this statement.........
Posted on 7/23/13 at 4:30 pm to Baloo
once again baloo goes full retard
Posted on 7/23/13 at 4:31 pm to eyeran
quote:Exactly. This is something that I noticed right away. It was glaringly obvious how much room the defenders gave and how lazy the close outs were after the post player kicked it back out.
People should watch the defensive sets when they get a chance. Defenders literally sagged 5-6 feet off of their man on the perimeter. In the post, the offensive player could come down and plant himself in whatever spot he wanted. The defender didn't even fight him for position.
The defense was pretty bad... especially for how simple the defense was.
Posted on 7/23/13 at 4:31 pm to PrimeTime Money
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Let me get this straight... you are a grown man, and you enter this thread not to discuss basketball, but to call people dumbasses and 12 year olds?
Saying that Magic, Bird, Kareem, Worthy, McHale are just ARIGHT...... Is a DUMBASS STATEMENT........ Deal with it/.......
Posted on 7/23/13 at 4:35 pm to dukke v
quote:I was talking about the specific game I was watching.
Saying that Magic, Bird, Kareem, Worthy, McHale are just ARIGHT...... Is a DUMBASS STATEMENT........ Deal with it/.......
The defense was bad, which is why I wasn't impressed. They were getting easy looks.
Posted on 7/23/13 at 4:45 pm to PrimeTime Money
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The defense was bad, which is why I wasn't impressed. They were getting easy looks.
Thats fine, But EVERY player I mentioned would still be a STAR even today.........
Posted on 7/23/13 at 4:54 pm to PrimeTime Money
Larry Legend 
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Because nothing is better than watching Larry Bird shoot a basketball.
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SLAM: I believe you had talked about seeing Larry shoot in the gym.
PG: He picked a ball up that had rolled over. He rolled up his sleeves and made about 15 in a row and just walked out like nothing just happened. It was the craziest thing I’ve seen.
SLAM: How did you and the rest of the team react?
PG: We were speechless. We didn’t know whether to keep shooting or just to end practice. It was sweet, man.
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Posted on 7/23/13 at 4:54 pm to PrimeTime Money
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I sometimes hear people talking about how good basketball used to be and how those guys could play today...
Their offenses are very simplistic, as is the defense, and the players are nowhere near as good. Not even close.
And this is the Celtics and Lakers.
Posted on 7/23/13 at 4:57 pm to BobBarker
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And Kareem was never a great rim protector
Go check his blocks/ DWS numbers. Also keep in mind the NBA didn't start recording blocks/steals or defensive rebounds until 1973
This post was edited on 7/23/13 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 7/24/13 at 8:28 am to BobBarker
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And Kareem was never a great rim protector by any stretch
He only led the NBA in blocks 4 different times and has the 3rd most career blocks in NBA history....(this despite the fact that the NBA didnt even keep track of blocks until his 5th year in the league
Posted on 7/24/13 at 8:43 am to PrimeTime Money
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I sometimes hear people talking about how good basketball used to be and how those guys could play today...
Their offenses are very simplistic, as is the defense, and the players are nowhere near as good. Not even close.
And this is the Celtics and Lakers
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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