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re: Update: Oregon & WA to the BIG. Utah, ASU, AZ apply to the Big 12. RIP Pac 12

Posted on 8/3/23 at 1:25 pm to
Posted by usc6158
Member since Feb 2008
39379 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 1:25 pm to
quote:

USC is pissed at idea of more west coast teams joining. Wonder if Washington may get invite while Oregon gets left out as a "compromise" with USC



Doubt it

USC wanted nothing to do with the rest of the Pac-12 for a variety of competitive and historical reasons, but the USC admin has no power at all in this case. The rest of the BIG presidents are going to look out for their interests.
Posted by OleVaught14
Member since Jun 2019
12303 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 1:25 pm to
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We need to revisit the playoff qualifiers. The new PAC isn't better than the AAC or MW.


Auto qualifiers are the 6 highest ranked conference champs. It doesn't say which conferences or anything like that, just the 6 that are ranked the highest.
Posted by OleVaught14
Member since Jun 2019
12303 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 1:26 pm to
quote:

USC wanted nothing to do with the rest of the Pac-12 for a variety of competitive and historical reasons, but the USC admin has no power at all in this case. The rest of the BIG presidents are going to look out for their interests.


So... A pissed off USC to the SEC?!
Posted by Buckeye06
Member since Dec 2007
25422 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 1:29 pm to
I always loved the regional feel of CFB. You had all the B1G schools and some ACC schools with a couple SEC games at 11am, then you rolled into 1-2 big games for those conferences with the SEC and Big 12 in the 2:30 slot, then the biggest 3 games of the day in prime time and then you still had the Pac 12 games starting at 7-10 pm ct

It will still be the same teams, but the conferences are totally new
Posted by Buckeye Backer
Columbus, Ohio
Member since Aug 2009
9521 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 2:18 pm to
Posted by CarolinaGamecock99
Member since Apr 2015
24874 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 2:23 pm to
Research spending national champs!

Print those shirts
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
45403 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 2:25 pm to
Research spending is such an odd metric for a baseline when comparing football athletic leagues.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
36391 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 2:25 pm to
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It’s all kind of stupid. The 3 remaining conferences are going to be so big that they’ll have to do internal divisions that basically replicate the original conferences.


It's extremely stupid. The extra teams don't even increase the money for the existing schools. It's expansion for the sake of expansion.

20 teams is so unwieldy that the schools will barely feel like they are in the same conference.
Posted by Buckeye06
Member since Dec 2007
25422 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 2:26 pm to
It's a great academic conference for sure. That isn't what is going to matter on a sports message board
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
26200 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 2:27 pm to
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What would be enough is if the B1G instructed its members not to schedule Notre Dame
That....and/or if the ACC collapses and Notre Dame needs a new conference for all of their other sports, the B1G could tell them they either join the conference for football too or they can't join at all. Then ND's only halfway decent option to remain a football independent would be to join the Big East.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
36391 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 2:29 pm to
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Stanford and Cal


These teams are fricked in the portal/NIL era. Not sure why they are considered valuable. Stanford may be the worst P5 team this year, by a long shot.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
36391 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 2:30 pm to
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With the PAC being raped into oblivion and possibly not existing in a couple of weeks, it presents a good opportunity for the Mountain West to corner the market on late night football.

Adding Oregon State/ Wazzu also improves their product. This is a dream scenario for them.


The PAC is at least a valuble name. I would think they would add some MWC teams and keep the Pac 12 name.
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
46591 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 2:31 pm to
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but to stay in ACC under current situation is hard for us to figure out how we remain competitive unless there is a major change in revenue distribution w/in ACC.


Conference records over the past few years

5-3
4-4
2-6
4-4
3-5
3-5
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80666 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 2:31 pm to
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It's extremely stupid. The extra teams don't even increase the money for the existing schools. It's expansion for the sake of expansion.

20 teams is so unwieldy that the schools will barely feel like they are in the same conference


It could allow the B1G to slide into the late night time slot and could actually bring in more money.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
36391 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 3:08 pm to
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“All in favor of expelling Rutgers and Maryland? Say aye!”


Everytime someone says "you don't understand the business of college football. You don't know what's going on in the future"

I remind them that the BIG added Rutgers and Maryland, that the ACC signed a shitty TV deal for like 20 years, that the Pac 12 screwed up expansion about 5 other times and turned their noses up at many programs, including BYU, Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma State and others.

None of these people know what is going on. The majority of conference changes have been bad, or at least neutral, both from the conference and the school perspective.

The shitty TV deal that Florida State is mad about was agreed to by them, in giddy fashion. They thought they had killed a fat hog at the time. But changes come fast.

These 20-team conferences will regret this in short order.

Posted by jfan244888
Soda City, SC
Member since Jul 2021
1221 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 3:09 pm to
Meanwhile in NC.

"I really think Carolina and State ought to be in the same conference," said House Speaker Tim Moore, R-Cleveland. "I really think they ought to do that. And I think you’d have a lot of resistance to seeing them split off in different conferences."

NC politicians are saying UNC and State should be a package deal. Likely the same is the case for UVA/VT ( given how VT got into the ACC in the first place). Dont think that's a good thing for those schools but they've got 10 years at least to figure it out.

LINK
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150774 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 3:10 pm to
Lmao

Good luck with that UNC
Posted by jfan244888
Soda City, SC
Member since Jul 2021
1221 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 3:14 pm to
Yeah the Big whatever is not adding Unc and State. I don't even think the SEC would either unless the lesser State takes a half share.
Posted by Buckeye06
Member since Dec 2007
25422 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 3:52 pm to
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Everytime someone says "you don't understand the business of college football. You don't know what's going on in the future"

I remind them that the BIG added Rutgers and Maryland


While not good at football, those are two of the most heavily populated areas of the country so that got the B1G footprint to an additional 30 million people. I'm not saying even 35% have cable which includes the B1G network, but adding the network to 5 million homes (1/6 of the total) brings in tons of cash on an annual basis.

Some cord cutting had already began a decade ago, but it's really intensified over the past 5 years or so I would say. So is it worth it through 2200? maybe not but it has probably brought in tons of cash since 2014
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
45403 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 4:01 pm to
Apparently, the ACC contract called for "look-in's" which allowed the schools to do a sanity check and ask for more money. This never happened and FSU is looking at it for an out.
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