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re: UNO vs #2 Louisiana l 6 PM l
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:23 pm to DaGarun
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:23 pm to DaGarun
i do...people seem caught up with the term, so i did some research and have come up empty. Am just curious is all. Not putting down the university, just curious as how it came to be. Like i said, no documentation that i can find exists.
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Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:26 pm to joeleblanc
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that's naming rights...from what i have read, from Forever LSU, it was a 'vision' that was launched. So i am presuming it was a self designation.
Yeah, I don't think LSU ever really pushed the "flagship agenda" with the public until there was a massive endowment fundraising push in the 2000s. I'm not sure of the end result, but there was a push to raise 750MM in 10 years or something. That's when "we" started pushing the term "flagship."
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:30 pm to fleaux
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I swear you people wait until this thread is about to go to page 2, then you post something and wait for hill Durham to say something stupid, and then you will all say look: 612 pages of not caring
It usually starts when the name "Louisiana" is mentioned, and people start to get their panties in a wad.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:36 pm to Cajunese
The word "Louisiana" is always in the title to draw out some dumbass who will argue with you, and from them on its 75% cajun fans egging said dumbass on
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:39 pm to joeleblanc
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as far as i can find, there is no documentation to say why its the flagship. none.
Being a flagship university had nothing to do with sports. It's about the amount if graduates, jobs, money, research, ect... that your school brings into the state. If you are a "flagship" University you get more funding for research and other academic stuff.
Some states have no flagship universities
Posted on 4/7/14 at 10:13 pm to Smalls
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RS 17:3215
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(1) Louisiana State University and Agricultural and Mechanical College, located at Baton Rouge and designated as the premier flagship university for the state.
As far as I know, this is the piece of legislation through which the LA legislature gave LSU it's "flagship" label. I had to look this up last semester while writing a paper.
The LSU System website simply states:
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Subsequent action by the Legislature established the LSU A&M campus as “the premier flagship university for the state.”
Posted on 4/7/14 at 10:29 pm to Smalls
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You've got to raise admission standards, add graduate programs (masters level and doctorate level), increase faculty salaries (and demand quality research, publications, etc.), upgrade the physical plant, and raise tuition.
(probably better suited for Poli talk but...) All of this takes money which isn't there or is being cut. Some old politician nearing the end of his political career needs to run for governor and seriously reform higher ed in this state, post-career reputation be damned. We're seriously over served and quality suffers because of it. We can't have few great universities when funding is spread thin over so many schools that we just end up with mediocre universities. To this point, nobody wants to be the bad guy that puts his foot down and says quality over quantity.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:48 pm to Lsuhoohoo
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(probably better suited for Poli talk but...) All of this takes money which isn't there or is being cut. Some old politician nearing the end of his political career needs to run for governor and seriously reform higher ed in this state, post-career reputation be damned. We're seriously over served and quality suffers because of it. We can't have few great universities when funding is spread thin over so many schools that we just end up with mediocre universities. To this point, nobody wants to be the bad guy that puts his foot down and says quality over quantity.
I agree full heartedly. I doesn't help that a lot of the weakest performing universities are traditionally black colleges. SUNO's graduation rate is atrocious.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 12:05 am to SammyTiger
SUNO graduation rate: 8%
eight.
percent.
LSU's is ~70%, not sure about others.
eight.
percent.
LSU's is ~70%, not sure about others.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 12:12 am to Lsuhoohoo
More funding is all nice, but there is also way too little private money going into the state universities. That's the big difference between the ones in La and the state-supported giants. (now most state schools are about like the ones in La). More private money is pumped into athletics than academics.
And this ridiculous TOPS program needs to be reformed to true scholars. I don't need to pay the tuition for upper middle class students with ACT 23s (or even less!). Cut TOPS and increase the appropriations.
And this ridiculous TOPS program needs to be reformed to true scholars. I don't need to pay the tuition for upper middle class students with ACT 23s (or even less!). Cut TOPS and increase the appropriations.
This post was edited on 4/8/14 at 12:16 am
Posted on 4/8/14 at 6:47 am to joeleblanc
Well it seems abundantly clear that you really think ULL should be the "flagship"
Posted on 4/8/14 at 7:08 am to More beer please
No, what we are saying is that there is not a need for a 'flagship' university. Why is it that just about EVERY other state can have 'xxxx State University' AND a 'University of xxx' ???? Why is LSUA&M so incredibly threatened by this? And for all is 'flagshipness' LSUA&M consistently ranks poorly academically.
This post was edited on 4/8/14 at 7:09 am
Posted on 4/8/14 at 7:22 am to LaCajunsFan
I didn't ask any of that. I said joe keeps wanting answers as to why LSU is the flagship, and he got them. Clearly he is a ULL fan, simple.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 10:07 am to LaCajunsFan
Go back to the rage page.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 12:41 pm to LaCajunsFan
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And for all is 'flagshipness' LSUA&M consistently ranks poorly academically.
Compared to what school in the state? Tulane maybe, but they are a private university.
Does any state need a flagship? No, but most have at least one, and there are no other schools in Louisiana who come close to being a flagship university.
This post was edited on 4/8/14 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 4/8/14 at 1:00 pm to SammyTiger
Real name Sam, or is Sammy's your go-to spot?
Sammy's
Sammy'sPosted on 4/8/14 at 3:38 pm to SammyTiger
How stupid are you?
1. I was comparing LSUA&M to schools outside the state. Heck fire, you don't even rank well in the SEC, much less nationally. So much for putting all our $$$$ behind one school. Yeah, that's worked very well.
2. You are at least correct in saying a state does not need a "flagship" university.
3. It is only your, extremely biased, opinion that makes you think no other schools even comes close. Please...... if not UL, than LaTech has every bit as good an academic program as LSUA& M.
4. And how can other schools compete if LSUA&M quells all competition?
1. I was comparing LSUA&M to schools outside the state. Heck fire, you don't even rank well in the SEC, much less nationally. So much for putting all our $$$$ behind one school. Yeah, that's worked very well.
2. You are at least correct in saying a state does not need a "flagship" university.
3. It is only your, extremely biased, opinion that makes you think no other schools even comes close. Please...... if not UL, than LaTech has every bit as good an academic program as LSUA& M.
4. And how can other schools compete if LSUA&M quells all competition?
This post was edited on 4/8/14 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 4/8/14 at 4:23 pm to LaCajunsFan
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1. I was comparing LSUA&M to schools outside the state. Heck fire, you don't even rank well in the SEC, much less nationally. So much for putting all our $$$$ behind one school. Yeah, that's worked very well.
2. You are at least correct in saying a state does not need a "flagship" university.
3. It is only your, extremely biased, opinion that makes you think no other schools even comes close. Please...... if not UL, than LaTech has every bit as good an academic program as LSUA& M.
4. And how can other schools compete if LSUA&M quells all competition?
Louisiana spreads the money too thin amongst shitty universities. Don't look to LSU look to the bottom.
LSU would be the flag ship regardless of any legislature definition. it is the biggest, oldest, most recognized, and most popular university in the state.
LSU has higher graduation rates, admittance standards, average income of graduates. It is ranked higher than any any public school in Louisiana. Just generally better.
This isn't about competition, this about having at least 1 decent university in the state. If we split the money even than we will just have 20 shitty ones.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 4:39 pm to SammyTiger
We at least agree on another point: we spread too much money amongst too many schools.
But only in your feeble mind would the oldest, biggest, etc. equate to this mystical 'flagship' status.
Of course you have higher admission standards, etc.: this is legislated, lol. And the admission standards between LSUA&M and the next tier (UL, LaTech and UNO) is not very much. Do the research....
Finally, your expectations for a 'flagship' school is decent? Isn't that special. The whole point is that with all the extra money and special perks LSUA & M gets we should get much more than just a 'decent' school. We already have that with lsua & m, UL and LaTech.
But only in your feeble mind would the oldest, biggest, etc. equate to this mystical 'flagship' status.
Of course you have higher admission standards, etc.: this is legislated, lol. And the admission standards between LSUA&M and the next tier (UL, LaTech and UNO) is not very much. Do the research....
Finally, your expectations for a 'flagship' school is decent? Isn't that special. The whole point is that with all the extra money and special perks LSUA & M gets we should get much more than just a 'decent' school. We already have that with lsua & m, UL and LaTech.
This post was edited on 4/8/14 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 4/8/14 at 4:49 pm to LaCajunsFan
Yall need to take this shite outside
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