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Posted on 11/16/25 at 7:51 am to PeteRose
What? I actually like Islam a lot. He's a great dude and hilarious. But he is a boring fricking fighter
Merab is probably the only grappler that actually puts on exciting fights in the UFC right now.
Merab is probably the only grappler that actually puts on exciting fights in the UFC right now.
This post was edited on 11/16/25 at 7:53 am
Posted on 11/16/25 at 7:54 am to TheOcean
Striking is an easier visual art to perceive. I totally get it.
People don’t get grappling until they actually do it. Sure they can understand an arm or choke but they won’t understand the setup prior to getting the submission in. It’s more nuanced than what you can just perceive on ppv and mma.
I also can’t watch straight grappling competitions like I used to. It’s not appealing and I do get that.
In order to understand it you really have to train in it to gain the appreciation what someone like Islam can do.
People don’t get grappling until they actually do it. Sure they can understand an arm or choke but they won’t understand the setup prior to getting the submission in. It’s more nuanced than what you can just perceive on ppv and mma.
I also can’t watch straight grappling competitions like I used to. It’s not appealing and I do get that.
In order to understand it you really have to train in it to gain the appreciation what someone like Islam can do.
Posted on 11/16/25 at 8:17 am to lsucoonass
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It’s called winning You should try a judo class or any type of grappling art in your area
This has nothing to do with my point
Posted on 11/16/25 at 8:28 am to Hester Carries
Will agree to disagree
Posted on 11/16/25 at 9:13 am to lsucoonass
Islam might be the best to ever do it. I know it would never happen but would be awesome to see him and Khabib go at it boring or not.
Posted on 11/16/25 at 9:34 am to lsucoonass
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Will agree to disagree
Ok let me walk you through it.
My point: These Dagestanis are dominant grapplers. They utilize calf kicks and take downs and top control flawlessly. They are seemingly unbeatable. I respect their skills and wins. Its boring AF. The point of the UFC is ultimately entertainment.
Watching Islam lay on a guy and maybe go for an arm and then switch to maybe an arm triangle to maybe a rear naked with rabbit punches that are doing no damage, all to simply gas his opponent out for 20 mins with the hopes of getting an easy finish is not fun to watch.
"Oh you dont know what you are seeing". I know exactly what im seeing. I know its skillful and hard. Whatever. So is coding. I dont want to watch someone do that either.
Spamming calf kicks. Jon Jones spamming teep kicks, wrestle fricking. It will never be must see tv.
Posted on 11/16/25 at 10:36 am to Hester Carries
quote:and you are missing that Islam is not a boring fighter. In his last 10 fights, he's had 8 finishes in a variety of subs and KOs.
My point: These Dagestanis are dominant grapplers. They utilize calf kicks and take downs and top control flawlessly. They are seemingly unbeatable. I respect their skills and wins. Its boring AF. The point of the UFC is ultimately entertainment.
Part of what makes these types of fights seem boring is the other fighter. JDM was content to play defense on the ground and took zero chances. Islam was continuously trying to get in a position to finish the fight and JDM played good defense and was content to lose a decision.
It's a bit unfair to blame just 1 fighter, especially the dominant one who regularly has spectacular finishes, when the other fighter doesn't even attempt to do anything to win the fight and plays the equivalent of prevent defense.
Posted on 11/16/25 at 10:49 am to hashtag
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and you are missing that Islam is not a boring fighter.
Yes, he is.
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Part of what makes these types of fights seem boring is the other fighter. JDM was content to play defense on the ground and took zero chances. Islam was continuously trying to get in a position to finish the fight and JDM played good defense and was content to lose a decision.
At no point in that fight did Islam try to finish JDM.
Posted on 11/16/25 at 10:56 am to hashtag
Very true
With another active grappler such as Oliveira more openings are available for submissions
With another active grappler such as Oliveira more openings are available for submissions
Posted on 11/16/25 at 11:52 am to PeteRose
quote:Topuria's obviously willing to put his undefeated record on the line vs. Islam. He was a wrestler taking guys out with submissions before he switched to being a KO artist. Nearly had Charles in a crucifix.
Ilia should stay in the kid’s lane at LW. He wound get ragdolled vs Islam at WW.
Islam has had trouble against smaller guys. Volk did better against Islam in their first fight than JDM did last night.
It's the only Conor-Khabib type matchup that exists right now.
Let's see them at the White House in 2026. Double champ vs. double champ.
This post was edited on 11/16/25 at 11:54 am
Posted on 11/16/25 at 1:10 pm to diat150
He is definitely in that mix. The Guy is really good everywhere. Grappling, especially his wrestling is next level.
Posted on 11/16/25 at 1:26 pm to PeteRose
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I didn’t hear anyone complain when Randy Couture or Matt Hughes, Daniel Cormier, GSP, or Merab wrestled their way to a win.
Then you weren’t paying attention.
Posted on 11/16/25 at 1:34 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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At no point in that fight did Islam try to finish JDM.
I think Islam is boring AF, but he did attempt to setup a D'Arce a couple times. The thing is, just like GSP, he will only attempt a sub if he knows he won’t give up positioning or an advantage. It’s “smart” but it’s risk averse and boring AF.
Posted on 11/16/25 at 1:37 pm to Epic Cajun
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think Islam is boring AF, but he did attempt to setup a D'Arce a couple times. The thing is, just like GSP, he will only attempt a sub if he knows he won’t give up positioning or an advantage. It’s “smart” but it’s risk averse and boring AF.
These “Daggys” just dry hump people to death. It’s horribly boring.
Posted on 11/16/25 at 2:00 pm to Gifman
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These “Daggys” just dry hump people to death. It’s horribly boring.
You guys are like JDM’s face, going from confident and excited before the fight to crying at the end.
Posted on 11/16/25 at 2:23 pm to castorinho
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I think a lot of people will come here after the fight and say that they can’t believe how easy that looked for Islam
nailed it
Islam is too good. You always wanna believe that the next contender will have a shot, but no. He will just keep smothering people. I have no clue how his reign ends. I don’t see anyone on the roster that can beat him
Posted on 11/16/25 at 2:58 pm to PeteRose
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You guys are like JDM’s face, going from confident and excited before the fight to crying at the end.
Stop being an emotional female. I never said Daggys weren’t great at what they do. They should have their own dry humping league though.
Posted on 11/16/25 at 3:46 pm to Big Fat Guy
Posted on 11/16/25 at 3:47 pm to Big Fat Guy
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