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re: True or False: soccer players are second tier athletes
Posted on 6/20/16 at 4:10 pm to abitabrewed4LSU
Posted on 6/20/16 at 4:10 pm to abitabrewed4LSU
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Having endurance and speed isn't "athleticism"?
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Can you run/sprint for 90 minutes?
When I call LeBron "athletic" I'm not referring to the fact he can run for 48 straight minutes. Anybody with two legs and who isn't lazy can do that.
I mean, sure, have that broad definition if you like, while perhaps technically correct, it is not what we are talking about here.
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Posted on 6/20/16 at 4:11 pm to td01241
If history could be rewritten and the resources, money and athletes that have been devoted to basketball/football/baseball were magically redirected to soccer, we'd have the best team in the world, assuming Americans kept the same level of interest in sports.
This does not mean that if Adrian Peterson and LeBron played soccer right now we'd win the world cup AT ALL, and anyone who believes so has no understanding of sports.
FWIW the fact that soccer in the USA is where it is at makes games like USA-Argentina so much more appealing to me than Men's Basketball in the Olympics.
This does not mean that if Adrian Peterson and LeBron played soccer right now we'd win the world cup AT ALL, and anyone who believes so has no understanding of sports.
FWIW the fact that soccer in the USA is where it is at makes games like USA-Argentina so much more appealing to me than Men's Basketball in the Olympics.
This post was edited on 6/20/16 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 6/20/16 at 4:12 pm to ThePoo
I view athleticism as innate natural ability.
Run fast
Run long
Jump high
Coordination
Agility
etc etc etc.
Obviously all those things can be improved with training, but no matter how hard you train, you will hit the limit your body can do. I can quit everything and train 8 hours a day to be a sprinter, but I'll never be faster than above average.
Skills are something that you develop over time and aren't just innate.
Being able to hit a golf ball
Shooting a basketball
Blocking and rushing effectively
dribbling a soccer ball/touch
Quarterback footwork and throwing accuracy
etc etc etc.
Those require years/decades of training to be elite.
You need both to be a professional athlete 99.999% of the time.
Basically, the best athletes in the world could never compete at a high level in a sport unless they also possess the necessary skills. This is why OP is dumb as rocks.
Run fast
Run long
Jump high
Coordination
Agility
etc etc etc.
Obviously all those things can be improved with training, but no matter how hard you train, you will hit the limit your body can do. I can quit everything and train 8 hours a day to be a sprinter, but I'll never be faster than above average.
Skills are something that you develop over time and aren't just innate.
Being able to hit a golf ball
Shooting a basketball
Blocking and rushing effectively
dribbling a soccer ball/touch
Quarterback footwork and throwing accuracy
etc etc etc.
Those require years/decades of training to be elite.
You need both to be a professional athlete 99.999% of the time.
Basically, the best athletes in the world could never compete at a high level in a sport unless they also possess the necessary skills. This is why OP is dumb as rocks.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 4:12 pm to ToulatownTiger
True. If you can run cross country, you can play soccer
Posted on 6/20/16 at 4:14 pm to Lionnation1993
You're an even worse troll
Posted on 6/20/16 at 4:19 pm to More beer please
quote:I promise you there are many awkwardly coordinated NBA players out there, that would look like a girl throwing a football or bounce a pitch from the mound halfway to home plate
And this is what I disagree with. A basketball player has to essentially have some skill in every facet of fitness. All while moving around bigger frames than any other sports. To me, thats much more impressive and challenging.
They may have the stamina and fitness but that is not all that i view as being an all around athlete. Think of it as a 5 tool player in baseball. Guy may have 2 of the tools and that may be all he needs because he was blessed with a 6'10 frame
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Posted on 6/20/16 at 4:20 pm to ToulatownTiger
Never change MSB, never change
Posted on 6/20/16 at 4:20 pm to LordoftheManor
Thats exactly what I said
Posted on 6/20/16 at 4:20 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:
Well soccer is a second tier sport so
According to who?
Posted on 6/20/16 at 4:21 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Isn't Kobe pretty good at dribbling a soccer ball?
I'm not sure how good he is, but he played it while living in Italy.
But he's also played in a lot of charity matches, similar to Steve Nash.
This post was edited on 6/20/16 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 6/20/16 at 4:23 pm to JohnnyKilroy
quote:elite skills yes, years of training, agreed
Skills are something that you develop over time and aren't just innate.
Athleticism has a natural component to it to me though
I don't think it should take an athlete decades of training to not look like a 6 year old girl throwing a football or baseball
But like I mentioned in my original post
quote:not elite but he is naturally coordination and agile enough to not look out of place when transitioning to another sport on an amateur level
Maybe he is not elite at any of the things not involved with his respective sport but he can hold his own when playing the other sports with amateurs I see athleticism as simply having the fitness, stamina, coordination and agility to transition from sport to sport without looking like a toddler learning to walk
This post was edited on 6/20/16 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 6/20/16 at 4:24 pm to ToulatownTiger
Soccer and tennis are some of the best training for baseball, bball and fball players. Hand, foot and eye coordination is very under appreciated.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 4:26 pm to ThePoo
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I promise you there are many awkwardly coordinated NBA players out there, that would look like a girl throwing a football or bounce a pitch from the mound halfway to home plate
Never said there wasnt. The same could be said for soccer.
I dont get what your point of that was? I could just as easily find tons of videos of soccer players doing just as bad at other sports.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 4:28 pm to More beer please
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I am arguing for soccer players being more athletic. Imo there is a good chance they are but I was not making that claim nor was that the point of my post
the point of my post was directly stated
which is quite apparent here
I also want to specify that my opinions are based solely on American athletes and pro teams.
the point of my post was directly stated
quote:
People don't even agree on what "being more athletic is"
which is quite apparent here
I also want to specify that my opinions are based solely on American athletes and pro teams.
This post was edited on 6/20/16 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 6/20/16 at 4:29 pm to pvilleguru
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Ochocinco grew up playing soccer. During the lockout/strike a few years ago he was able to try out with Sporting Kansas City. After working with them for a while, he was still getting embarrassed by the reserve team.
Reserve team of a second/third tier league mind you. That's like not being able to cut it against an NFL Europe practice squad team.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 4:38 pm to ToulatownTiger
Literally every African team has insane athletes in terms of size/speed/quick twitch movements which is what you would get if you put a bunch of NFL skill position players and made teams. They still get waxed by European teams.
Soccer takes so much more than athletic ability, but hey, keep on making snap judgments on a sport you clearly don't know shite about.
Soccer takes so much more than athletic ability, but hey, keep on making snap judgments on a sport you clearly don't know shite about.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 4:59 pm to Dixie Normus
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Soccer takes so much more than athletic ability, but hey, keep on making snap judgments on a sport you clearly don't know shite about.
there is a reason these European teams are signing kids at 5 years old to play in their academies. soccer requires more technical skill and creativity than the major sports in America. a lot of people dont understand the fact that superior athletes will get shown up by average athletes with superior skill. pretty sure most americans wouldnt be comfortable with sending their kids too young to start school here to live in another country and train soccer their entire lives
Posted on 6/20/16 at 5:03 pm to ToulatownTiger
From my experience growing up, the soccer kids were better at playing basketball, baseball, and football than the basketball, football, and baseball kids were at playing soccer.
This post was edited on 6/20/16 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 6/20/16 at 5:10 pm to sgallo3
quote:
there is a reason these European teams are signing kids at 5 years old to play in their academies. soccer requires more technical skill and creativity than the major sports in America. a lot of people dont understand the fact that superior athletes will get shown up by average athletes with superior skill. pretty sure most americans wouldnt be comfortable with sending their kids too young to start school here to live in another country and train soccer their entire lives
Just think about the pool of potential soccer players. It's pretty much everyone. Soccer is easy to play pretty much anywhere, which means there are half-decent amateur players in pretty much every town in every country on the globe.
In the US, there is a reason a lot of us remember mediocre athletes starting in varsity football while your buddies who can outright ball couldn't sniff the JV basketball team. Everyone plays basketball to some extent growing up, often in a manner that somewhat reflects the organized game. Most do not play any form of football beyond the backyard variant. The talent pool is much smaller for much larger teams.
Soccer is the ultimate talent pool. The idea that at adulthood you could reach pro level within a year is insane, even in MLS.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 5:12 pm to KCM0Tiger
Soccer is a pretty transient sport at the youth level here. Almost every kid plays it and they typically arent focused just on soccer and get into other sports as well
So it makes sense
So it makes sense
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