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re: Trevor Lawrence has arrived
Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:31 pm to TH03
Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:31 pm to TH03
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T-Law was billed as a generational prospect though. he was hyped up for years. then the guys he competed with in college came in and had pretty immediate success
It’s not a binary situation, though.
Burrow didn’t have Urban Meyer as his HC
Burrow didn’t have Marvin Jones as his best WR
There are layers to this. Burrow is the better QB. But its TBD how much better he is than Lawrence. He can still be elite and generational and while being worse than Burrow
ETA - shite, Herbert walked into an A+ situation with Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, and Austin Ekeler
This post was edited on 12/12/22 at 1:32 pm
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Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:39 pm to VermilionTiger
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Tyler Boyd would be the best WR on the Jaguars.
Marvin Harrison wasn't Marvin Harrison in Peyton's rookie season. And he was the only non-trash receiver on that team Peyton's rookie season or any season until they drafted Reggie Wayne in 2001, and it took Wayne several years before he was putting up more than pedestrian numbers. Harrison also missed 4 games Peyton's rookie year. Peyton's leading receiver in 1998 was Marshall Faulk, a running back. His second leading receiver his 2nd season was Edgerrin James, a running back.
In Peyton's second season he had over 4000 yards passing and 26 TDs. Lawrence, in 16 games and a more wide open league, is on pace for 3940 yards passing and 25 TDS, so he's not even out-pacing Manning.
And there are a whole lot of QBs who are out-pacing Manning's 1st and 2nd year numbers. Does that mean we have half a dozen or more players that will be better or are better at Manning at this stage in their careers?
OR is it a little easier for QBs to amass more passing yards in 2022 than t was in 1999. Peyton was 3rd in the NFL in passing yards in 1999. Lawrence is 9th this year.
This post was edited on 12/12/22 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:41 pm to VermilionTiger
burrow had a turnstile for his Oline, tore his ACL, then brought them to the super bowl the next year.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:45 pm to VermilionTiger
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There are layers to this. Burrow is the better QB. But its TBD how much better he is than Lawrence. He can still be elite and generational and while being worse than Burrow
He's also 3 or 4 years older than Lawrence, right?
Lawrence looked great yesterday. That seemed like a potential breakout performance.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:47 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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He plays better in a Mickey Mouse Doug P offense, but when he is actually asked to read the entire field, he is still among the worst QB’s in the league.
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Massive overreaction
Yeah, I’d agree Massive overreaction
Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:52 pm to TH03
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T-Law was billed as a generational prospect though. he was hyped up for years. then the guys he competed with in college came in and had pretty immediate success.
He also had maybe the absolute worst coach of an nfl team in decades as a rookie.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:54 pm to VADawg
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He's also 3 or 4 years older than Lawrence, right?
Not quite, no. Lawrence also started a season's more worth of games in college than Burrow did. I'd be more concerned with game experience than age unless we're talking about a bona fide vet compared to a rookie. Lamar Jackson is the same age as Burrow, but I don't think it would be fair to compare the two that way (or anyone else in Burrow's draft class) because Jackson has been in the NFL for 2 more years after starting 3 years in college.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:59 pm to TH03
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burrow had a turnstile for his Oline, tore his ACL, then brought them to the super bowl the next year.
They got to the SB because of the injury. No chance they get chase if Burrow is healthy all of 2020
Posted on 12/12/22 at 2:03 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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He needs to be outperforming a guy like Burrow film wise to be delivering on expectations.
Burrow has a much better receiving corp. 2 all pro-types and a good te. However, Burrow and Allen are the standards for the last couple of years for sure.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 2:08 pm to VermilionTiger
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They got to the SB because of the injury. No chance they get chase if Burrow is healthy all of 2020
Burrow was 2-7-1 as a starter in 2020, and they finished 4-11-1. They were still going to be drafting in the same ballpark even had he stayed healthy. Very unlikely IMO they finish much better, if at all, than 2-5 down the stretch even with Burrow.
This post was edited on 12/12/22 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 12/12/22 at 2:13 pm to BHTiger
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However, Burrow and Allen are the standards for the last couple of years for sure.
Both Herbert and Lawrence blew Allen’s second year out of the water though. Allen was pretty meh his first two years before making a big jump.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 2:32 pm to RLDSC FAN
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He’s now the 2nd-highest graded QB since week 9
If you have to cherry pick windows of a season to prove someone is a great QB, they probably aren't doing that great overall.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 3:30 pm to Weekend Warrior79
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If you have to cherry pick windows of a season to prove someone is a great QB, they probably aren't doing that great overall.
It was also against the 31st (Tenn), 30th (Det), 26th (Bal), and 23rd (KC) pass defenses in the NFL.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 4:19 pm to VermilionTiger
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ETA - shite, Herbert walked into an A+ situation with Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, and Austin Ekeler
and let us not forget a halfa*s decent offensive line. Joe Burrow's career could have ended before it began because of the offensive line woes in Cincy
Posted on 12/12/22 at 4:49 pm to VermilionTiger
That’s not remotely true. Tyler Boyd had the worst drop in the league this year against the Chiefs and he had a drop that blew the Super Bowl.
The Bengals having more talent narrative is complete bullshite. They were 1-15 when they drafted Burrow.
Also, how much money is Jax paying Christian Kirk to be worse than Boyd in your opinion?
The Bengals having more talent narrative is complete bullshite. They were 1-15 when they drafted Burrow.
Also, how much money is Jax paying Christian Kirk to be worse than Boyd in your opinion?
Posted on 12/12/22 at 4:56 pm to Bench McElroy
Fields has been the most electric QB the Bears have ever had.
I’m sure you watched none of the Jets Bears game a few weeks ago when JF was out and the Bears got blown out and could barley cross the 50 after the 1Q. Fields is their entire offense right now
I’m sure you watched none of the Jets Bears game a few weeks ago when JF was out and the Bears got blown out and could barley cross the 50 after the 1Q. Fields is their entire offense right now
Posted on 12/12/22 at 5:08 pm to 3PieceSpicy
quote:god i love LSU burrow fans
Outplaying Manning in 1997 and Luck in 2010 isn’t the standard.
It’s a friendlier league to QB’s these days.
He needs to be outperforming a guy like Burrow film wise to be delivering on expectations.
And he’s not remotely close to doing that if you actually remotely understand how to evaluate a QB.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 6:47 pm to RLDSC FAN
Not surprising since I dropped him from my fantasy team in week 7. Also dropped Fields in week 4.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 7:14 pm to WestCoastAg
You should bc we are the most reasonable bunch to be completely honest.
Where did all the Tua slurpers go? Did they convert into T Law slurpers now?
Where did all the Tua slurpers go? Did they convert into T Law slurpers now?
Posted on 12/13/22 at 7:07 am to RLDSC FAN
I’ll need TideSaint to chime in and let us know.
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