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Posted on 1/12/15 at 12:28 am to windhammontanatigers
After changing direction by jumping up and inside of Shields to get ball and after getting 2nd foot to touch ground he had changed direction trying to go back outside of Shields while also turning body from facing opposite sideline to angled more towards pylon on side he was on. Also while 2nd foot is beginning to push it gets cut and tangled up by Shields trailing leg left up in air and Dez does not get much of a push and starts going down angled facing pylon with right shoulder much closer to goal line than left, but he then still gets a push from left foot which was 3rd foot down after catch to push closer to goal line and past Shields. With this push and right hand landing he also starts to rotate left shoulder forward while holding left hand with ball out in front of shoulder both of which were pushing ball more towards goal line than angle they were in before left foot landed to give final push. During this his right forearm went down. After right forearm hits ground his left hand and shoulder continue rotating even more square to goal line and closer to goal line when left hand hits ground and slides and ball pushes up.
How can momentum of catch where he went from being outside and even with Shields (maybe a little ahead) to getting below and inside him with jump for catch (Shields did jump towards inside after Dez but landed with just a leg more inside than Dez) take Dez back angling to pylon and to the outside of Shields and then past Shields?
How can momentum of catch where he went from being outside and even with Shields (maybe a little ahead) to getting below and inside him with jump for catch (Shields did jump towards inside after Dez but landed with just a leg more inside than Dez) take Dez back angling to pylon and to the outside of Shields and then past Shields?
This post was edited on 1/12/15 at 12:33 am
Posted on 1/12/15 at 12:33 am to Champagne
No
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:39 am to Roger Klarvin
I watched the catch before even seeing the main argument is whether or not he extended and my first instinct was he didn't. His elbow is bent and barely outstretched.
If he fully extended or at least had a.more obtuse angle, I could see it, but his angle is too acute to give him the benefit of that doubt.
That said, I thought evidence had to be clear and indisputable to overturn..... not sure it was. No one can look into his mind and see for sure what he was intending.
If he fully extended or at least had a.more obtuse angle, I could see it, but his angle is too acute to give him the benefit of that doubt.
That said, I thought evidence had to be clear and indisputable to overturn..... not sure it was. No one can look into his mind and see for sure what he was intending.
This post was edited on 1/12/15 at 2:40 am
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:43 am to DelU249
By rule, no.
It's a shitty rule and should've been a catch.
It's a shitty rule and should've been a catch.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 3:20 am to UltimateHog
quote:
No, he definitely lunges for the endzone bud. Otherwise he would tuck it away into his body, but it's pretty clear he's reaching for the goal line if you've ever watched football in your life.
The question, is a lunge considered a football move?
Reaching for a first down or diving are bothe considered football moves unless you are Dez. Some radio guy said only Dez can catch the ball on the 5 yard line and get to the 6 inch line whilst spinning 110 degrees and going from vertical to completely horizontal without making a football move.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 3:28 am to motorbreath
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I don't think a football move was ever made. He didn't gain full possession until right before he went down. A lunge like that isn't a football move. A football move has to involve your feet.
Bryant should have worried more about securing the ball than reaching it towards the endzone.
You obviously do not know the rule, it clearly states reaching for a first down marker and diving to get out of bounds as examples. In this scenario, there is a possibility that two of the criteria were met on that play.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 4:05 am to BillyBobfan24_7
Officials were unanimous: no.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 5:37 am to lsupride87
quote:
Moores stretch made it a catch.
No, regaining control of the ball on the ground made it a catch.
quote:
If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact with an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball after he touches the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone.
Lance Moore lost control of the ball when he went to the ground as you can see by the movement. If the ball was knocked away at that point or hit the ground, it would have been incomplete, but:
quote:
If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.
He regained control of the ball after going to the ground, making it a catch. Both hands on the ball, no movement, after contact with the ground. These really aren't similar plays.
As soon as he regains control, the play is over given that he is the enddzone.
As much as Roger wants the plays to be similar, they aren't.
quote:
But Lance clearly didn't possess the ball through the ground
Which is exactly what I said in the previous post. He lost control and regained it while on the ground, making it a TD according to that stupid rule.
This post was edited on 1/12/15 at 5:45 am
Posted on 1/12/15 at 7:21 am to rondo
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Bwahaha...u mad
You are a Saints fan trolling a Cowboys loss because that's all you have had to root for for the last several weeks. You are the very definition of "u mad."
Posted on 1/12/15 at 7:28 am to BillyBobfan24_7
it wasn't a catch
I thought it was kinda obvious
I thought it was kinda obvious
Posted on 1/12/15 at 7:36 am to DelU249
No
Posted on 1/12/15 at 7:41 am to BillyBobfan24_7
quote:
Dez can catch the ball on the 5 yard line and get to the 6 inch line whilst spinning 110 degrees and going from vertical to completely horizontal without making a football move
Posted on 1/12/15 at 7:44 am to Salmon
quote:
I thought it was kinda obvious
It was obvious...It was a catch.......
Posted on 1/12/15 at 7:52 am to Salmon
quote:
it wasn't a catch
I thought it was kinda obvious
This. Although my Cowboys fan friend I was watching with didn't agree.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 7:52 am to dukke v
Yall are still arguing about this obvious incomplete pass??
Posted on 1/12/15 at 7:54 am to fleaux
We will probably go another ten pages as it has now been interjected that Bryant may have been stretching for the sideline.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 7:54 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:If it's the same play but Dez catches the ball around, say, the 30 yard line, I'm not saying it would be unprecedented, but that fall he made would be pretty unnatural IMO. You typically see some variatoin of the tuck with 2 hands or maybe 1 hand but the player will try to fall a little on his side to ease the fall a bit. Dez didn't do that.
I truly have no idea how one could arrive at that conclusion. It requires you to believe it was easier for Bryant to do what he did than to simply tuck the ball away
That's why I don't see how anyone can definitively say it was not a stretch for the goalline.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 7:58 am to shel311
If he had held the ball out like Lance Moore did in the super bowl then I would agree it is a football move, to me it looked like he was just going to the ground with the ball
Posted on 1/12/15 at 7:58 am to brgfather129
quote:You mean the goalline?
We will probably go another ten pages as it has now been interjected that Bryant may have been stretching for the sideline
Also that was mentioned long ago, it's not new to this thread.
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