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re: Top 10 golfers of all-time

Posted on 7/22/13 at 10:16 am to
Posted by VegasPro
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Posted on 7/22/13 at 10:16 am to
Irv who worked at Sherwood caddied for him. Said he only missed a green from wind or bad yardage.
Posted by lsugolf1105
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Posted on 7/22/13 at 10:20 am to
why isn't the greatest of all time list just a list of total major wins? apparently, that is the only criteria relevant when comparing tiger to jack.
Posted by MillerMan
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Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 7/22/13 at 10:27 am to
Woods
Nicklaus
Snead
Hogan
Jones
Mickelson
MillerMan
Watson
Player
Palmer

IMO
Posted by COTiger
Colorado
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 7/22/13 at 10:38 am to
1. Nicklaus
2. Woods
3. Hagen
4. Hogan
5. Watson
6. Palmer
7. Player
8. Snead
9. Sarazen
10. Jones
Posted by golftigers
Mandeville
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 7/22/13 at 11:36 am to
1. Nicklaus
2. Woods
3. Hogan
4. Jones
5. Snead
6. Sarazen
7. Palmer
8. Hagen
9. Watson
10. Player

Vardon should be in there, but who do you leave off?
Posted by COTiger
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Posted on 7/22/13 at 11:39 am to
I had a hard time leaving Trevino off.
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 7/22/13 at 11:46 am to
quote:

Vardon should be in there, but who do you leave off?

Almost anyone besides Nicklaus, Woods, Jones. Harry Vardon is maybe the greatest golfer in history

1. Nicklaus
2. Bobby Jones
3. Tiger
4. Harry Vardon
5. Sam Snead
6. Arnold Palmer
7. Walter Hagen
8. Gary Player
9. Seve
10. Hogan


Love Tom Watson and Sarazen but they're not better than Seve and definitely not Vardon
Posted by Paul Allen
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 7/22/13 at 11:47 am to
No Curtis Strange??
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
31554 posts
Posted on 7/22/13 at 11:49 am to
quote:

I'm not as up on golf history as a lot of you, so I'll ask.... Vardon. Explain why he is so high on the lists (I can see he was great, but he seems lower top 10 or just off the list... I'm sure I'm missing something, so educate me).

You know the way you hold your club? It's called the Vardon grip. You can also thank him for not hinging your wrists during a putting stroke.

Read The Greatest Game Ever Played by Mark Frost. Forget the movie with Shia. Frost spends a lot of time on Vardon detailing a man that pioneered a lot of standards in modern golf.
Posted by VABuckeye
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 7/22/13 at 11:54 am to
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For the record, I believe Jack is still the GOAT and Tiger has a chance to pass him in time, but Tiger in his prime was unstoppable


For the record. Nicklaus was matched up against several legendary players over most of his career. Tiger was not. Not only did Nicklaus win 18 majors but he finished second 17 times and had 51 career top five finishes in majors. All of these were over a 25 year span.

In 18 years Woods has won 14 majors but has finished second only 6 times and has a total of 29 top 5 finishes. He'd better do some serious work over the next 7 years to even approach Nicklaus body of work in majors.
Posted by Ford Frenzy
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Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 7/22/13 at 11:58 am to
quote:

For the record. Nicklaus was matched up against several legendary players over most of his career
this can also mean the fields were weaker allowing a certain group to constantly win
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 7/22/13 at 11:59 am to
these lists are naturally very subjective but i think one should consider old tom morris in the top 10, certainly the top 15. not as high as vardon but still there. the dude had to make his own clubs AND his own golf balls and he also won a lot of tournaments. he was golf at one time.
Posted by golftigers
Mandeville
Member since Nov 2003
2513 posts
Posted on 7/22/13 at 11:59 am to
quote:

Harry Vardon is maybe the greatest golfer in history


Vardon is a legend of the game but that is hard to quantify. He won 6 British Opens, but at a time when he played against nobody else who even comes close to this list. The only reason he makes the top 10 in my mind is his US Open win to complement the Open wins.

Palmer, Player and Nicklaus (and Trevino to boot) all took majors from each other and still all make the list
Posted by COTiger
Colorado
Member since Dec 2007
16844 posts
Posted on 7/22/13 at 12:00 pm to
Vardon won the Open championship six times between 1896 - 1914. Wasn't the Open known as the weakest major back then? From what I've read over the years, foreign players didn't travel to play the tournament.
Posted by TR20
Dallas
Member since Feb 2009
65 posts
Posted on 7/22/13 at 12:01 pm to
If one takes a weighted score of Major wins (50%), total PGA wins (30%), and other Professional wins such as EU Tour, Asia Tour, etc (20%), here's what you come up with:

1. Woods - weighted score of 35.8
2. Nicklaus 34.9
3. Snead 32.7
4. Hagen 25
5. Hogan 24.5
6. Palmer 22.9
7. Nelson 20.5
8. Player 19.3
9. Mickelson 17.9
10. Watson 16.5

Next notables: Thomson, Sarazen, Vardon, Trevino, Faldo, Seve, Jones

Of note is the fact that earlier professional such as Jones, Vardon, and Hagen may have higher scores if they would have had more tournament opportunities as well as air travel at their disposal.

Also, Gary Player is much higher on the list if you count his 73 Sunshine (South African Tour) wins.

If 70% emphasis were used for Major wins, the list would look like this:

1. Nicklaus 29.2
2. Woods 28.1
3. Snead
4. Hagen
5. Hogan
6. Palmer
7. Nelson
8. Player
9. Watson
10. Mickelson

Personally, I think 50% emphasis is about right for judging a career though some seem to think it's only majors that count.
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
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Posted on 7/22/13 at 12:03 pm to
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Palmer, Player and Nicklaus (and Trevino to boot) all took majors from each other and still all make the list


And Watson and Seve aren't far off of that list. Watson vs Nicklaus in 1977 at Turnberry is still the greatest weekend duel in the history of golf IMO.
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 7/22/13 at 12:04 pm to
i cannot agree with any top 10 list that does not include bobby jones. he, like the other greats of the day were ametuers (sp). and, like old tom morris was THE face of golf around the world.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
30349 posts
Posted on 7/22/13 at 12:09 pm to
How long do you think it took Vardon to travel from England to Chicago in 1900 for the U.S. Open? a month?
Posted by Ford Frenzy
337 posts
Member since Aug 2010
6902 posts
Posted on 7/22/13 at 12:11 pm to
golf is way more competitive and has better golfers now than back in the day...guys are being taught the fundamentals and basics from their swing coaches at a much earlier age
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
38283 posts
Posted on 7/22/13 at 12:15 pm to
quote:

golf is way more competitive and has better golfers now than back in the day


Define "back in the day".

The counter to this is that golfers "back in the day" had to be more skilled because course conditions and equipment were decidedly inferior by todays standards yet they were still able to shoot low scores.
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