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re: Tony Dungy
Posted on 8/23/10 at 1:58 pm to AlejandroInHouston
Posted on 8/23/10 at 1:58 pm to AlejandroInHouston
quote:Again with the religious intolerance. You're a real class act.
And ignorant Muslims use this same stupid crutch regarding the Koran.
Honestly, what makes you any better than the people of different beliefs that you love to mock so much? Oh, I know, your beliefs are right and everybody who doesn't share them is wrong so that gives you carte blanche. Damn, that sounds eerily familiar.
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Posted on 8/23/10 at 2:00 pm to Jamohn
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When you spout such degrading things about people's personal religious beliefs you are showing the same level of intolerance that you perceive is being shown homosexuals. That makes you part of the problem. As I said before, this is the ugly state of what passes for discourse in this country today and it completely stifles any hope for productive debate.
Homosexuality isn't a danger to the human race. Muslims and Christians who are eager to see the "Last Days" and strive towards self fulfilling prophecy is such a danger.
Posted on 8/23/10 at 2:02 pm to Choupique19
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I had some beliefs, Sophandros made some points that went against my views, I really didn't have solid to facts to contradict it other than faith. Therefore, I just acknowledged his points and will move on.
Pretty much the same from this end.
Posted on 8/23/10 at 2:04 pm to Jamohn
So where do you draw the line? Mormanism? Scientology? The Branch Davidians? All religions are off limits - even if their tenants threaten civilization/humanity and/or are racist/homophobic/batshit crazy??
Posted on 8/23/10 at 2:06 pm to AlejandroInHouston
Bashing someone's faith is over the line. Discussing an issue that isn't central to one's faith (I don't think that homosexuality is a central tenet of any religion, but I could be wrong...) in a CIVIL MANNER is within bounds.
It's really pretty simple.
BTW, not all denominations are anti-gay, and not all Christians and Muslims are trying to bring about the end times. Lumping the majority in with a group of radicals isn't right, man.
It's really pretty simple.
BTW, not all denominations are anti-gay, and not all Christians and Muslims are trying to bring about the end times. Lumping the majority in with a group of radicals isn't right, man.
This post was edited on 8/23/10 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 8/23/10 at 2:08 pm to Sophandros
That's using religion as a mindless crutch - a figurative "sanctuary" from logic and debate.
I hate that with a passion and refuse to recognize that crutch.
I hate that with a passion and refuse to recognize that crutch.
Posted on 8/23/10 at 2:14 pm to AlejandroInHouston
quote:Where do you draw yours? Eradicate all religion as Chairman Mao sought to do?
So where do you draw the line? Mormanism? Scientology? The Branch Davidians? All religions are off limits - even if their tenants threaten civilization/humanity and/or are racist/homophobic/batshit crazy??
Most of the time, religious tenants are subject to smear campaigns by those who seek to undermine the religion. They take the most radical/destructive interpretation held by the most radical fringe w/n that religious group and hold it as the mainstream in order to smear that entire religion. I don't need to explain the formula to you since you are obviously an expert at carrying this out.
Mormons, Scientologists, Branch Davidians, have just as much a right to their beliefs and lifestyle choices as you or I do. When the threat to civilization/humanity is a real one and not a perceived one by intolerant assholes who seek to undermine religious freedom--those include some on the religious right and some on the left--then it becomes your business.
This post was edited on 8/23/10 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 8/23/10 at 2:15 pm to AlejandroInHouston
No, AIH, in a true debate, personal attacks and other fallacies are off limits. If you want to keep it civil and possibly get something accomplished, that is.
Posted on 8/23/10 at 2:16 pm to AlejandroInHouston
quote:If it's personal and doesn't involve you why is it any of your business? Like I said before, you're a hateful intolerant bastard w/ an agenda.
That's using religion as a mindless crutch - a figurative "sanctuary" from logic and debate.
I hate that with a passion and refuse to recognize that crutch.
Posted on 8/23/10 at 2:17 pm to Jamohn
I think that AIH has a problem with religion, just as Dungy has a problem with gays.
Posted on 8/23/10 at 2:18 pm to Sophandros
So you let that mental giant off the hook in your argument because all he could muster up was "well we disagree but its in mah BYYYBELL!" and thats it.
"Fair enough
" you say, even though he will continue to walk around feeling that homosexuality is a sin, a "choice", is frowned upon by "God", etc. I just can't do that - it's intellectually dishonest.
You fancy yourself a "bigger man" for being able to walk away, but I have to point out what a retard he is. I don't even feel like looking up his screenname he's so unworthy of it. The dude with the LSU baseball avatar.
And to Jamonnn, I'm not talking about physically shutting down religions like a Mao. I'm just saying that I'm done with allowing that stupid red herring of "well thats where my faith comes in and you can't question my faith" be the stalemate in an argument. I'm done with that.
"Fair enough
" you say, even though he will continue to walk around feeling that homosexuality is a sin, a "choice", is frowned upon by "God", etc. I just can't do that - it's intellectually dishonest. You fancy yourself a "bigger man" for being able to walk away, but I have to point out what a retard he is. I don't even feel like looking up his screenname he's so unworthy of it. The dude with the LSU baseball avatar.
And to Jamonnn, I'm not talking about physically shutting down religions like a Mao. I'm just saying that I'm done with allowing that stupid red herring of "well thats where my faith comes in and you can't question my faith" be the stalemate in an argument. I'm done with that.
This post was edited on 8/23/10 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 8/23/10 at 2:18 pm to Sophandros
quote:My point exactly, Soph.
I think that AIH has a problem with religion, just as Dungy has a problem with gays.
My hatred is directed at hypocrisy.
Posted on 8/23/10 at 2:19 pm to AlejandroInHouston
quote:
I don't even feel like looking up his screenname he's so unworthy of it. The dude with the LSU baseball avatar.
....that is hard fricking core.
Posted on 8/23/10 at 2:23 pm to Sophandros
You guys are so lame on this.
As we speak Iran is making huge strides to masking a nuclear weapons program. They literally want to wipe Isreal off the face of the map.
Millions of Christians, Jews, Muslims take their respective theologies so literally that they want to see an expedited end-game which will cause their beloved Armageddon.
These pea-brained morons could very well set off the end of humanity and you're going to compare me to some schmuck like Tony Dungy who hates the idea of two guys fricking. Right.
As we speak Iran is making huge strides to masking a nuclear weapons program. They literally want to wipe Isreal off the face of the map.
Millions of Christians, Jews, Muslims take their respective theologies so literally that they want to see an expedited end-game which will cause their beloved Armageddon.
These pea-brained morons could very well set off the end of humanity and you're going to compare me to some schmuck like Tony Dungy who hates the idea of two guys fricking. Right.
This post was edited on 8/23/10 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 8/23/10 at 2:29 pm to AlejandroInHouston
Again, is your solution to set up a force that eradicates all religion off the face of the earth? Stalin and Mao both saw this as a solution. How'd that work out.
quote:There you go again spewing your hateful bile that you got from Bill Maher. You are lumping entire groups based on the worst of their interpretations to promote fear and intolerance of those you don't understand. You sound just like a racist or a homophobe. It's amazing that you are blind to your own hypocrisy and can't see what a douche you are being. Unfortunately for you, we live in a country with constitutionally protected religious freedom. Yes, it's history of sticking to the mantra is checkered, but the framework and the ideal has always endured, much to the chagrin of hateful faux-intellectual zealots like you.
Millions of Christians, Jews, Muslims take their respective theologies so literally that they want to see an expedited end-game which will cause their beloved Armageddon.
Posted on 8/23/10 at 2:29 pm to AlejandroInHouston
quote:
As we speak Iran is making huge strides to masking a nuclear weapons program. They literally want to wipe Isreal off the face of the map.
For many reasons, not all of them related to Islam vs. Judaism.
But what does this have to do with gays and their right to marry?
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Millions of Christians, Jews, Muslims take their respective theologies so literally that they want to see an expedited end-game which will cause their beloved Armageddon.
And millions of those who belong to those faiths don't want to see that and aren't trying to bring it about.
quote:
These pea-brained morons could very well set off the end of humanity and you're going to compare me to some schmuck like Tony Dungy who hates the idea of two guys fricking. Right.
No, I'm comparing you for your hypocrisy.
Posted on 8/23/10 at 2:33 pm to Sophandros
W/E I'm sick and don't feel like arguing this.
Have fun beautifully picking apart the stupidity of Christianity point by point and then backing off at the last minute out of respect for "religious freedoms". I guess I see the fun in that, brah. Whatever floats your boat.
Have fun beautifully picking apart the stupidity of Christianity point by point and then backing off at the last minute out of respect for "religious freedoms". I guess I see the fun in that, brah. Whatever floats your boat.
Posted on 8/23/10 at 2:36 pm to Jamohn
I realize that sounds like the end of the Bill Maher movie but that was original thought by me before Bill Maher ever set pen to paper. I ripped it from Voltaire if anybody.
Posted on 8/23/10 at 2:47 pm to Jamohn
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That's a hell of a blanket statement that I think is wildly inaccurate. Jefferson took a lot of shite during his time for being a Deist and was accused of being a godless atheist.
I don't believe it is wildly inaccurate. I do not doubt that there were several devout Christians amongst those we consider founding father, but the leaders (My great^x uncle Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Paine, John Adams, James Madison, George Washington, etc) followed a Deist path.
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You really think people were smarter in the 1700's?
Yes, or at least our leaders were.
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When you spout such degrading things about people's personal religious beliefs you are showing the same level of intolerance that you perceive is being shown homosexuals.
Yes, I am openly disdainful of religion. Any religion. I believe religious doctrine is a poison, and am saddened that innocent children are exposed to it on a daily basis. Does this make me a hypocrite? Perhaps, but I believe in people's right to be stupid and make their own choices. Normally, I just laugh at stupidity and go about my business. Unfortunately, they by virtue of their tractability and their votes have a negative influence on my life. I am hardpressed to see a way a gay man marrying another gay man would have a negative impact on my life.
Oh well, this is an old argument and nothing will get solved or changed here. Just a place to Rant. So, I guess it's appropriate.
Posted on 8/23/10 at 2:54 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
quote:I am openly disdainful of people who show intolerance and hatred for people who have different belief systems than one's own w/o even an attempt to understand those beliefs outside of listening to horrible perversions of those religions by others who hate and seek to destroy all belief systems different from their own.
Yes, I am openly disdainful of religion. Any religion. I believe religious doctrine is a poison, and am saddened that innocent
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