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re: This is the most desperate moments of Lebron's career
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:11 am to Rep520
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:11 am to Rep520
quote:Dear god..
LeBron averaged 34, 10 and 8.5 in last year's Finals and you're dogging him for quitting? Of 6 Finals, Jordan averaged more than 34 twice, more than 8.5 assists once and never came close to 10 rebounds, and none of them in the same year.
It's truly, TRULY mind blowing to me the disparity between the narratives these MJ guys push when it comes to Jordan and Lebron.
Seriously, I'm almost embarrassed for these people because of how hard they've placed Michael Jordan on a pedestal.
If he played now, he and Harden would be battling it out for most flashy offensive stats. He'd be considered one of the top 2 way players and he and Lebron would be neck and neck for who the best player in the league was(maybe not right this second bc Lebron is hurt and ~47,000 minutes into his career).
These people are so delusional and the MJ myth is SO ingrained in their brains that they'll laugh hysterically at that notion.
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Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:24 am to Boomshockalocka
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Everyone I know has given him a fair shot.
lmfao
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:26 am to ReauxlTide222
Honestly the mj praise is a disturbing on many levels
Most of it is just from wall builders who are dumb in the first place and irrationally hate LeBron because he is a sjw
Most of it is just from wall builders who are dumb in the first place and irrationally hate LeBron because he is a sjw
Posted on 1/31/19 at 11:46 am to Boomshockalocka
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Every player who played with Jordan was a better player with Mike than they would’ve been with lebron. Teams actually practiced during the season back then. And no one practice with more intensity than mike. The fact of the matter is those guys likely don’t reach the levels they did without mike bc of how he made everyone better by demanding excellence.
Bulls starters 1993 with MJ & 1994 without MJ
Pippen(93): 473(FG)- 482(eFG) & 18ppg
Pippen(94): 491(FG)- 515(eFG) & 22ppg
Grant(93): 508(FG) & (efg) & 13ppg
Grant(94): 524(Fg) & (efg) & 15ppg
Armstrong(93): 499(fg)-537(efg) & 12ppg
Armstrong(94): 476(fg)-505(efg) & 14ppg
Cartwright(93):411 fg & efg- 5.6 ppg
Cartwright(94):513 fg & efg- 5.6ppg
Every starter besides Armstrong actually improved their efficiency / scoring without MJ the year before. Despite playing with a Pete Myers who was a complete offensive liability.Collectively MJs Bulls teammates were more efficient without him than the previous season with him.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 12:01 pm to Mr Perfect
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Honestly the mj praise is a disturbing on many levels
Myths. Nostalgia. Cliches. Intangibles. It's what they need to place MJ above LeBron at this point.
I've never seen a perimeter player have such impact on a team than LeBron James in NBA history( Larry Bird turn around of the Celtics was impressive as well). Lebron has the type team impact only dominant Big men once had.
It's truly astonishing the teams LeBron has dragged to NBA Finals / playoffs & how they are in near complete shambles without him.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 12:03 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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When LeBron quits, his team quits with him occurred in 09, 10, and last year’s Finals, can’t imagine a time MJ ever quit in a playoff series when his team was the superior team,
LeBron did not have the superior team in any of those series. I don't give a shite what the regular season records were in 2009 and 2010. Do you think the Raptors were better than the Warriors last year because they had a better record? Just look at the rosters of those Cavs teams and the Magic/Celtics teams that beat them. But tell yourself whatever you need to to feel better.
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 1/31/19 at 12:11 pm to VADawg
Comparing nba career stats benefits LeBron because Jordan got a 4 year unc degree. Obviously matured during that 4 yrs.
LeBron went pro out of high school.
LeBron went pro out of high school.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 12:13 pm to sugar71
Not when you look at how bad the east has been it isn’t.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 12:15 pm to CelticDog
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Comparing nba career stats benefits LeBron because Jordan got a 4 year unc degree. Obviously matured during that 4 yrs.
You aren't wrong that MJ has a four-year degree from UNC, but he only played three years...
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 1/31/19 at 12:31 pm to VADawg
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LeBron did not have the superior team in any of those series. I don't give a shite what the regular season records were in 2009 and 2010.
They won 66 and 61 games those years respectively and were a great offensive/defensive team both years too, had HC advantage the ENTIRE PLAYOFFS both times of course they were a superior team both those years but when the going got tough he quit and his team quit is as simple as that
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Do you think the Raptors were better than the Warriors last year because they had a better record?
Who was the Raptors best player last year and who was the Warriors'? There you go, now go graduate elementary school
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Just look at the rosters of those Cavs teams and the Magic
LeBron was 5x better than Howard, he was the fricking MVP and arguable best defensive player in the league the rest of the roster matchup was a wash but LeBron's superiority made the difference
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Celtics teams that beat them
You mean the team that won 11 less games than the Cavs that year despite they had the Big 3 and Rondo? That team was clearly on the decline and aging compared to 2008 and on the tail end whereas LeBron and his band of solid, contributing role player desparados achieved 61 wins and HC advantage the entire playoffs, if that doesn't tell you something then you don't know basketball, simple as that
Posted on 1/31/19 at 12:32 pm to sugar71
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Bulls starters 1993 with MJ & 1994 without MJ
Pippen(93): 473(FG)- 482(eFG) & 18ppg
Pippen(94): 491(FG)- 515(eFG) & 22ppg
Grant(93): 508(FG) & (efg) & 13ppg
Grant(94): 524(Fg) & (efg) & 15ppg
Armstrong(93): 499(fg)-537(efg) & 12ppg
Armstrong(94): 476(fg)-505(efg) & 14ppg
Cartwright(93):411 fg & efg- 5.6 ppg
Cartwright(94):513 fg & efg- 5.6ppg
Every starter besides Armstrong actually improved their efficiency / scoring without MJ the year before. Despite playing with a Pete Myers who was a complete offensive liability.Collectively MJs Bulls teammates were more efficient without him than the previous season with him.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 12:37 pm to Rep520
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LeBron averaged 34, 10 and 8.5 in last year's Finals and you're dogging him for quitting?
Dude fricking pouted after the JR Smith play in game 1 and fricking shut down in the OT WHICH CLEVELAND LOST, the rest of the Finals wasn't even close that team was demoralized thereafter and LeBron was the ringleader of that
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Of 6 Finals, Jordan averaged more than 34 twice, more than 8.5 assists once and never came close to 10 rebounds, and none of them in the same year.
6-0 baby, 6 Finals MVPs and a multitude of clutch moments SUCK IT
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Arguing he quit on his team when he put up a stat line that compares to Jordan's best Finals
Stats don't mean everything when it comes to WINNING CHAMPIONSHIPS, bubba
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34, 10 and 8.5 is a historically great Finals performance.
Maybe from a statistical perspective but like my aforementioned comment represented it only means anything substantive when it translates to the victory and elevating the team like MJ did in two threepeats
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It just doesn't win much when you're against an overpowered Warriors team, have Kevin Love and not much else and JR blows a game.
Look at the teams MJ and the Bulls faced those 6 Finals, those were great teams with great players who did their jobs well hell he faced Magic, Worthy and Scott first time and skullfricked them, homeboy
Posted on 1/31/19 at 12:38 pm to CelticDog
quote:Meaning he didn't get to mature when he first stepped into the league?
LeBron went pro out of high school.
And Lebron is still better than him in plenty advanced stats?
Damn..
Posted on 1/31/19 at 12:38 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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LeBron was 5x better than Howard
Dwight Howard pre-back injuries was a borderline great player and no one on that shite roster could match up with him. That ended up being a recurring problem throughout that series.
LeBron also averaged 39 points and 8 rebounds on 49% shooting in that series. He was not the problem.
I'll bow out of this thread after reading your other posts. I don't really have a dog in this fight and you're a Jordan cultist. Carry on.
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 1/31/19 at 12:42 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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LeBron was 5x better than Howard, he was the fricking MVP and arguable best defensive player in the league the rest of the roster matchup was a wash but LeBron's superiority made the difference
Um, the Cavs started Mo Williams, Delonte West, Anderson Varejao and Zydrunas Ilgauskas.
The Magic had Turkoglu, Rashard Lewis, Jameer Nelson and Courtney Lee. Nelson, Lewis and Turkoglu were in their prime and all put up more than 16 ppg. Plus, Tyronn Lue was a coach on the floor for them.
Saying the rosters were even...maybe I'll give you Jameer equals Mo Williams. Lewis and Turkoglu are far superior to the Cavs options.
People also forget how good Howard was at that point. He was DPOY level on D and the game was still post oriented enough he was an offensive force.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 12:46 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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Look at the teams MJ and the Bulls faced those 6 Finals, those were great teams with great players who did their jobs well hell he faced Magic, Worthy and Scott first time and skullfricked them, homeboy
The Lakers were washed up.
The Blazers were not very good.
Barkley’s Suns were good
Sonics, not very good
Jazz x2 were good
Jordan didn’t beat a single great team in the Finals, and only the Jazz and Suns squads were even notable Finals teams.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 12:54 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:If the East is so weak it would seem the Cavaliers would have at least made the playoffs without LeBron?
Not when you look at how bad the east has been it isn’t.
2011 Cavs 19-63 without LeBron in ' easy' East
2010 Cavs 61-21 with Lebron
2014 Cavs 33-49 without LeBron in the ' easy' East
2015 Cavs 53-29 with Lebron. Lost NBA Finals in 6
2014 Heat 54-28 with Lebron . Lost Finals
2015 Heat 37-45 w/o LeBron . No playoffs " easy" East
2018 Cavs 50-32 with Lebron. Lost Finals to " GOAT"
2019 Cavs 11-41 w/o LeBron(barely 20 win pace) . No playoffs' 'easy' East
2018 Lakers 35-47 w/o LeBron. No playoffs
2019 Lakers were in 4th place in 'tough' West & LeBron an MVP Candidate. Lakers are in 9th & falling (6-11) w/o LeBron
It's beyond foolish to deny LeBron James impact at this point. I've never seen that type impact from a perimeter player / non big man .
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:09 pm to sugar71
fourth place and the cavs weren’t even trying to win when he left. They tank for pics. In Miami, Bosh miss half the year. Wade miss 20 games.
and the cavs weren’t even trying to win when he left. They tank for pics. In Miami, Bosh miss half the year. Wade miss 20 games. This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:14 pm to Cocotheape
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The Lakers were washed up.
MAGIC JOHNSON, JAMES WORTHY, BYRON SCOTT, SAM PERKINS, AC GREEN, that team defeated Run-TMC and a 63-win Trailblazer team in 6 to advance to that Finals and Magic was still doing Magic things at age 31
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The Blazers were not very good.
CLYDE DREXLER, TERRY PORTER, JEROME KERSEY, KEVIN DUCKWORTH, BUCK WILLIAMS, DANNY AINGE off the bench, CLIFF ROBINSON, SACRAMENTO SAVIOR Rick Adelman as HC, 2nd best record in basketball that season behind the Bulls
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Sonics, not very good
SHAWN KEMP, GARY PAYTON, NATE MCMILLAN, SAM PERKINS, DETLEF SCHREMPF, HERSEY HAWKINS, ERVIN JOHNSON, FRANK BRICKOWSKI, GEORGE KARL on the sidelines, 64-win team that season
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Jordan didn’t beat a single great team in the Finals, and only the Jazz and Suns squads were even notable Finals teams.
Well that dubious notion was debunked quickly
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:18 pm to ThePTExperience1969
quote:Not really
Well that dubious notion was debunked quickly
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