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re: There are too many automatic first down penalties in the NFL

Posted on 12/12/25 at 8:43 am to
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
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Posted on 12/12/25 at 8:43 am to
Ironic how many people lose their minds(especially announcers) when the multitude of fouls that are NFL / College auto first downs are not awarded automatically in HS.

in HS it's only roughing passer, snapper, kicker or holder.
Posted by Ryan3232
Valet driver for TD staff
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 12/12/25 at 8:54 am to
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That and we all have been conditioned to check for flags before getting excited after a big play.
Thats a good point. I don't get to truly celebrate a big play until about 10 seconds after the play. All while I'm looking at the bottom ticker on the TV hoping I don't see yellow.
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
53960 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 9:02 am to
the league wants offense
the defensive holding prevents WR muggings down the field
Posted by Master of Sinanju
Member since Feb 2012
11904 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 9:17 am to
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Ironic how many people lose their minds(especially announcers) when the multitude of fouls that are NFL / College auto first downs are not awarded automatically in HS.


It's hilarious to see dudes melt because they don't know the hs rules.

I saw a guy this year almost have a heart attack when his team intercepted a 2 point attempt and the refs blew it dead. He was convinced the refs were bought and paid for by the other team.
Posted by KPBuckeye87
Member since Aug 2025
127 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 9:53 am to
My biggest gripe with penalties is offensive holding. You can call it on every play but its happened to all of our teams when a holding is called that is on the other side of the field that negates a big play. Drives me nuts when that happens. Refs should have to answer questions after each game by the media on what they saw and why they did or not throw a flag.
Posted by The Third Leg
Idiot Out Wandering Around
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 12/12/25 at 9:54 am to
The game has been engineered to give the offense every advantage so that there aren’t a ton of low scoring games that women won’t watch.
Posted by CapitalTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Sep 2019
271 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 11:06 am to
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There are too many automatic first down penalties in the NFL


I'm probably missing something and taking a short-sighted look at it but I've never understood why penalties in football have automatic 1st downs or half the distance.

3rd and 20 with a 15 yard penalty on the defense...it's 3rd and 5.

Ball on the 11 with a 10 yard penalty...it's on the 1
Posted by real turf fan
East Tennessee
Member since Dec 2016
11204 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 11:12 am to
Someone might want to chart the holding calls that negate would=be-game-changing receptions and runs.
Last night there might have been a holding declined, but most time it makes the world first and twenty and that's a lot harder.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
22881 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 11:45 am to
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There’s little reason that holding or tripping should be an auto first

Off-topic, but that tripping penalty in the Falcons/Bucs game was a good move by the defender (he also got a facemask call). The Falcons RB walks into the endzone otherwise.

If I'm a defender and it's first and goal, and you give up an auto-first (and half the distance, so maybe 2-3 yds) to prevent a TD, I do that every time.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
33799 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:02 pm to
or a turnover in OT
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
38990 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:30 pm to
The CBA has a lot to do with it. The off-season restrictions on practice time - especially the extremely limited contact allowed - means teams aren't near as well-tuned or -conditioned. Plus, starters almost never play the preseason. Makes for much more sloppy play.
Posted by BigBrod81
Houma
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 12/12/25 at 4:31 pm to


Looks like Redskins at Bills
Posted by SeeeeK
some where
Member since Sep 2012
30626 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 5:06 pm to
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Offsides is basically the only penalty that doesn’t give the offense an automatic first down.

There’s little reason that holding or tripping should be an auto first


Nothing worse than 3rd and 18, and a 5 yard illegal contact, on othr side of field, away from the play some how makes that 3rd and 18 a 1st.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
46340 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 9:35 pm to
Its the easiest drive-extending call to make.
Posted by rintintin
Life is Life
Member since Nov 2008
16967 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 9:46 pm to
shite is unwatchable nowadays and the problem is nobody is gonna turn it off to make them think it needs to change.

I'll keep a game on because I don't want to change the channel but I rarely continuously watch a game because it's impossible.
This post was edited on 12/12/25 at 9:47 pm
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