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re: The view from inside the cockpit of an F1 racecar

Posted on 3/25/19 at 4:29 pm to
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 3/25/19 at 4:29 pm to
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Going to a Formula One race is now at the top of my bucket list. Preferably Monaco or Singapore or both.


My wife and I have seen races at most of the traditional circuits and maybe half the newer circuits and the best by far IMO is Spa, sitting with a view of Eau Rouge can't be beaten. I have been to Monaco twice and I have gone cheap and broke the bank, going cheap makes it a terrible race. The Montreal race is great for a NA race and I prefer sitting at the hairpin, we were there in '07 and saw Kubica's accident. Montreal embraces F1 as well or better than any city in the world and the street parties are great plus travel to and from the track to downtown is about as easy as it gets.

The newer non-Euro circuits have very nice accommodations but they lack the charm of the old tracks and have very little history.
Posted by MountainTiger
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Posted on 3/25/19 at 4:44 pm to
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My wife in I were just in Long Beach, CA yesterday and they apparently have a race in a few weeks. The roads are set up for it already and we're thinking about driving up to watch it.

IndyCar, not F1.
Posted by TouchedTheAxeIn82
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Posted on 3/25/19 at 4:46 pm to
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My wife in I were just in Long Beach, CA yesterday and they apparently have a race in a few weeks. The roads are set up for it already and we're thinking about driving up to watch it.

Yes, in three weeks there will be an IndyCar race at Long Beach. I think it's their most popular race after the Indy 500, so it will be well-attended and a lot of celebrities show up. The Long Beach Grand Prix used to be an F1 race, but they switched to IndyCar decades ago.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 3/25/19 at 5:20 pm to
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The Long Beach Grand Prix used to be an F1 race


Just like so many tracks today they can't or won't meet current F1 safety regulations, which is the reason there are so many Tilke tracks on the calendar.
Posted by weagle99
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Posted on 3/25/19 at 6:21 pm to
F1’s new ownership doing so much to embrace digital / streaming content is doing much to expand the fanbase. I was a casual fan before last year now I check youtube weekly
This post was edited on 3/25/19 at 7:09 pm
Posted by weagle99
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Posted on 3/25/19 at 6:29 pm to
Did you see this from this past weekend’s COTA race??

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If you started an F1 car and IndyCar side by side and raced for 60 laps (as the IndyCars did), the F1 car would finish the race 11 MINUTES before the IndyCar would, assuming a consistent 11 second per lap advantage.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 3/25/19 at 7:04 pm to
The Senna doc made Prost look like an a-hole too.

Kind of like the Netflix doc makes Red Bull out to be worse than they are.
Posted by VABuckeye
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Posted on 3/25/19 at 7:15 pm to
I just finished the Frank Williams documentary. I’m not quite sure how I feel about that man.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
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Posted on 3/25/19 at 7:15 pm to
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Looks like Elton John was lead designer




I had a similar thought.
Posted by Captain Crackysack
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 1:14 am to
I think Hamilton posted a while back that it was like a $250k steering wheel
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 1:37 am to
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The Senna doc made Prost look like an a-hole too.

Kind of like the Netflix doc makes Red Bull out to be worse than they are.


Honestly, Prost and Senna both were supreme assholes. People will argue which one was the worst but Jacques Villeneuve, Adrian Sutil, and Eddie Irvine were the biggest a-hole drivers, that said the biggest assholes weren't drivers.

In the end, the Senna documentary was an over-enthusiastic tribute to Aryton, his legacy would be viewed a little harsher if he had remembered to turn left at Tamburello... too soon? Lots of Senna haters mellowed after May of '94 just like many of Schumacher's detractors were less vehement after December of 2013.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 1:41 am to
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I think Hamilton posted a while back that it was like a $250k steering wheel


That is significantly over the generally publicized numbers for a steering wheel but keep in mind whatever number is thrown out that includes all the R&D as well. It wouldn't cost them near that to build another one for the same car/driver if they ran out of spares.
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 1:43 am to
How do I get to the Stern channel or listen to Mad Dog Sports? I think almost every cockpit in America has a more sophisticated setup, especially since 75% of the buttons are never used in either case.
Posted by bigpoppadiesel35
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 6:36 am to
Considering the pictured view is not obstructed by the vantage point of the helmet worn by the racers, what the F1 drivers accomplish every lap is even more impressive.

The Netflix series is entertaining and informative at the same time, thanks to all who recommended it.
Posted by uway
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 7:03 am to
It’s surprising to me that those switches/dials aren’t digital.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 7:54 am to
The driver would have to look down to read and operate them. With a traditional rotary or dial, they can rely on the tactile feedback to know they’ve changed a setting.
Posted by VABuckeye
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 9:41 am to
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It’s surprising to me that those switches/dials aren’t digital.


They don't want accidental touches that result in changes to the setup of the car. They want mechanical switches so the driver gets feedback when the change is made.

There are 17 power settings on the steering wheel. There's a dedicated button to pit row speed so no matter how much the pedal is mashed the proper speed is maintained.
Posted by VABuckeye
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 9:43 am to
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if he had remembered to turn left at Tamburello


Isn't the general rule of thought that something broke and Senna had no control at that point? I mean, he drove straight through a turn that he could take at speed.
Posted by Winston Cup
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 9:47 am to


1. Differential
Differential is used to adjust torque during turns. Hamilton adjusts this a lot in a race because the car's balance alters due to tyre wear and fuel load.

2. Overtake
Like hitting the nitrous oxide button in The Fast and the Furious, this button on the back of the steering wheel pushes the power unit into its most dynamic mode when top acceleration is needed.

3. Skip 1/10 preset
This allows Hamilton to interact with the car's 100 control sensors, either to switch off a faulty one or turn another on for strategic reasons.

4. Gearbox Neutral
To avoid accidentally putting the car into neutral at speed, it is located on the front of the wheel, rather than on the gearshift paddles at the back.

5. Pit-lane speed; 6. Pit confirm
This limits speed to 80kph for the protection of the pit crew, and alerts them to prepare for a stop without requiring radio notification.

7. Torque
This is used to select throttle "maps": if Hamilton puts his foot down he'll get all the torque; at halfway he may get more or less than half, depending on whether he wants it aggressive or gradual.

8. Accept
This confirms the modes selected by the Skip 1/10 buttons. It also triggers the clutch biting-point finder. Many of the buttons are multiplexed to save space - increasing the number of permutations to several billions.

9. DRS
The Drag Reduction System is an adjustable rear wing that delivers an aerodynamic speed boost of 10-12kph. It's only permitted within certain zones, and within one second of the car in front.

10. Strategy Rotary
Rather than having individual levels, this "go-faster" switch enables Hamilton to flick between a high-performance setting for an all-out qualifying lap and a more energy-conserving one.

11. Menu Rotary; 12. HPP Rotary
Controlling settings for the chassis and power respectively, these switches have 16 positions that each correspond to a different menu of options - that is, they're equivalent to 16 other rotaries.

13. Mark
Hamilton can flag a point in the data - for instance, a sub-optimal corner or a harsh-sounding gear change, for later analysis.

14. Radio
A crucial piece of kit for Hamilton to communicate with the team. New rules limit what data can be broadcast, thus increasing what's displayed on the wheel.

Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 9:55 am to
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his legacy would be viewed a little harsher if he had remembered to turn left at Tamburello... too soon?




I totally agree with this btw.

He hopped to the best car over and over. Not saying that to detract from his accomplishments, just to put them in perspective.
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