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Posted on 6/16/19 at 4:13 pm to Uncle Don
No you could not.
Posted on 6/16/19 at 4:48 pm to RyleD
They used to shift Ted Williams in the 40’s
Posted on 6/16/19 at 5:41 pm to I Bleed Garnet
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Also what are the percentages against the shift?
You’d think if they were against it, teams would stop doing it.
They haven’t
MLB BA on Balls in Play vs Shift
2010 - 0.317
2011 - 0.298
2012 - 0.318
2013 - 0.304
2014 - 0.305
2015 - 0.307
2016 - 0.310
2017 - 0.305
2018 - 0.305
2019 - 0.304
*These numbers do not include homeruns
This post was edited on 6/16/19 at 5:48 pm
Posted on 6/16/19 at 6:36 pm to I Bleed Garnet
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Also what are the percentages against the shift?
You’d think if they were against it, teams would stop doing it.
They haven’t
An interesting article from Fangraphs:
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The end result of all this? A decade ago, the league BABIP on grounders was .239. Last season, the league BABIP on grounders was .239. That isn’t meant to suggest that shifting in general is a complete waste of time. It’s just — it’s complicated. Baseball will find its own levels, regardless of what you want or expect.
The shift takes advantage of pull hitters when they hit a grounder. The thing is, those balls are usually outs, even against a regular defense. Of course, those rare times a ball may find a hole are gobbled up by a shift, but the overall effect is probably overstated.
Posted on 6/16/19 at 9:03 pm to RyleD
I’m not against the shift in general, I’m against the bad baseball from the hitters that consistently hit into it.
Posted on 6/16/19 at 10:37 pm to Undertow
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I think that’s Joey Gallo. He has more Home Runs in his career than singles. I’m ok with him still trying to go yard.
It is Gallo. And according to the analytics, despite batting no better than .209 in his career he had an above average OPS+ entering the season.
He’s been on the DL for a couple of weeks but before he got hurt he was legitimately getting way too early MVP voting hype. And by this I’m not saying he had any chance to win it, but national writers had him in multiple top 3 conversations.
He has been outstanding this year and the shift has not helped opponents at all really.
In regards to bunting, I can recall like two bunt attempts by him and looked retarded for both of them.
Posted on 6/16/19 at 10:44 pm to WestCoastAg
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but NEVER comes up when the shift robs what would have been a hit under a traditional defense?
Are you on crack? Announcers use the phrase hit right into the shift all the time.
Posted on 6/16/19 at 10:45 pm to Uncle Don
A player should quit playing baseball out of shame if a team sets up like that against you.
Posted on 6/16/19 at 10:46 pm to Gtothemoney
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Gtothemoney
The Robinson Cano bunt double is one of my favorite plays in baseball history.
Posted on 6/16/19 at 10:46 pm to The Boat
That's not what I'm saying
Posted on 6/16/19 at 10:49 pm to sms151t
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But you really aren’t seeing how they’re pitching the guy based on that picture
lay down a bunt
Posted on 6/16/19 at 10:50 pm to The Boat
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A player should quit playing baseball out of shame if a team sets up like that against you.
Well he’s getting on base like 42% of the time despite that shift.
Posted on 6/16/19 at 10:52 pm to McCaigBro69
Because he walks 20% of the time.
Posted on 6/16/19 at 10:53 pm to TulaneFan
Ted Williams couldn’t hit the opposite field and he’s arguably the greatest pure hitter of all time.
Posted on 6/16/19 at 11:18 pm to The Boat
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Because he walks 20% of the time.
Yeah.......because pitchers are terrified to throw strikes to him because if he makes contact and keeps it in play it’s a bomb like 65% of the time.
He is the most interesting and extreme analytics player in the league, imo. You don’t have to agree, but according to the statistics he is 72x more efficient at hitting this season than the average player. He also is tied for 12th in overall WAR.
Posted on 6/17/19 at 8:22 am to The Boat
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A player should quit playing baseball out of shame if a team sets up like that against you.
Posted on 6/17/19 at 8:32 am to McCaigBro69
If I was a Gallo-type player that was almost always shifted against, I'd work on bunting and every now and then in the right low-leverage situation I'd drop one down the line for an easy single.
I wouldn't do it because I'm worried about my batting average, or on-base percentage. I'd do it to try to keep defenses a little more honest in future more critical situations and then maybe a hard hit grounder gets through instead of turning into an out.
Now, it might not work... teams like the Astros might still shift dramatically because they'd happily concede a bunt single vs. a potential bomb.
I wouldn't do it because I'm worried about my batting average, or on-base percentage. I'd do it to try to keep defenses a little more honest in future more critical situations and then maybe a hard hit grounder gets through instead of turning into an out.
Now, it might not work... teams like the Astros might still shift dramatically because they'd happily concede a bunt single vs. a potential bomb.
Posted on 6/17/19 at 9:17 am to RyleD
I think the shift is a great strategy but it is only as great as the pitcher. I think it is also a great way to mess with the psyche of the batter.
Posted on 6/17/19 at 9:35 am to TulaneFan
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Maybe hitters should learn to not pull the ball? I know it’s easy for me to say that watching on the couch at home, but I feel like a professional Baseball player should be capable of laying down a bunt or hitting to the opposite field.
Hard to do against 98 on the inner black.
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