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re: The Miami Heat had prime Wade, Bosh, and LeBron

Posted on 7/1/19 at 12:53 pm to
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 7/1/19 at 12:53 pm to
Lol

Wade PER by season

06-27.6
07-28.9
08-21.5
09-30.4
10-28.0

Median per 28.0

Lebron years

11-25.6
12-26.3
13-24.0
14-22.0

Median per 24.8

Wade VORP by season

06-7.0
07-5.1
08-2.5
09-9.7
10-8.0

Median vorp 7.0

Lebron years

11-5.7
12-3.4
13-3.5
14-1.9

Median Vorp 3.45


He wasn’t in his prime and he was borderline bad his last year with Lebron
This post was edited on 7/1/19 at 1:00 pm
Posted by LSU82BILL
Fort Lauderdale, FL
Member since Sep 2006
10312 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 1:24 pm to
quote:

I think people are selling that 2010 team short as far as the talent on it.


The Heat spent the whole year trying to figure out. They used a traditional PG and a traditional center to complement the Big 3 and they were not productive at all at those positions when it came to scoring, rebounding or ditributing. LeBron basically played point forward and wouldn't let Chalmers handle the ball or shoot. They hit their stride 2 years later when they basically became positionless on offense and Ray Allen, Shane Battier, Rashard Lewis, James Jones, Miller and Chalmers were taking most of the 3's.
Posted by UMRealist
Member since Feb 2013
35360 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 1:26 pm to
That team started 17-17 and still made the finals.

Also chris bosh doesn’t hold a candle to any of the big 3 of Lebron (even at 35), AD and Kawhi
This post was edited on 7/1/19 at 1:28 pm
Posted by Tpayne99
Da Bayou
Member since Jan 2019
1028 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 1:27 pm to
Don’t you think that Lebron”Stats over titles”, would contribute to Wade’s stats declining?
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
18981 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 1:27 pm to
Theres no team like the Bulls in the NBA next year.
Posted by JBeam
Guns,Germs & Steel
Member since Jan 2011
68377 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 1:28 pm to
The Lakers hate on this board is cute.
Posted by AU_251
Your dads room
Member since Feb 2013
11559 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 1:53 pm to
ok, how'd the other seasons in Miami go?
This post was edited on 7/1/19 at 2:06 pm
Posted by WicKed WayZ
Louisiana Forever
Member since Sep 2011
31542 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 2:04 pm to
AD and Kawhi are light years better than what Bosh and Wade were when Bron went to Miami
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57262 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 2:14 pm to
quote:


Wade PER by season

06-27.6
07-28.9
08-21.5
09-30.4
10-28.0

Median per 28.0

Lebron years

11-25.6
12-26.3
13-24.0
14-22.0

Median per 24.8


Are you retarded? You don't think playing with Lebron dropped his PER because, I don't know...usage changing and sharing the ball, changing the offense.

Now do the same for Lebron. Lebron's career high for PER for a 3 year span was his last 3 years in CLE before going to MIA.

Was that his prime too?
This post was edited on 7/1/19 at 2:15 pm
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 2:17 pm to
quote:

AD and Kawhi are light years better than what Bosh and Wade were when Bron went to Miami
Not only that, but I think their styles would compliment each other far better than the other 2 big 3s Lebron has been apart of. In particularly, I think Kawhi compliments Lebron (and vice versa) far better than Wade and Kyrie since Kawhi doesn’t require near as many touches (e.g., Kyrie averages 23 more touches per 36 minutes).
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
94936 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 2:23 pm to
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Are you retarded? You don't think playing with Lebron dropped his PER because, I don't know...usage changing and sharing the ball, changing the offense.

Now do the same for Lebron. Lebron's career high for PER for a 3 year span was his last 3 years in CLE before going to MIA.

Was that his prime too?
You are always so retarded



Lebron in miami,

11-27.3
12-30.7
13-31.6
14-29.3

Median of 30

LeBron last 3 years in CLE,

08-29.1
09-31.7
10-31.1

Median of 31.1

How are you this fricking retarded.




Thats roughly the exact same perforance

That is nothing like wades drop
This post was edited on 7/1/19 at 2:27 pm
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57262 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 2:26 pm to
quote:

LeBron last 3 years in CLE, BEFORE GOING TO MIAMI



FIFY

Your retardation = CONFIRMED

ETA: Nice edit - for those that missed it, this tard quoted Lebron's PER from his last years in Cleveland from the year before last, confirming he doesn't read.

This post was edited on 7/1/19 at 2:36 pm
Posted by deathvalleyjunkie
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2009
2016 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 2:29 pm to
quote:

That was definitely prime Wade. LeBron sympathizers fo all they can to make LeBron better than he was.


They always make it seem like lebron was out there pl;aying wife a bunch of scrubs
Posted by Stidham8
Member since Aug 2018
6912 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 2:30 pm to
quote:

AD and Kawhi are light years better than what Bosh and Wade were when Bron went to Miami


Lol are you serious? Wade was 28-29 years old and still in his prime for that first season.

Bosh was coming off a year where he averaged 24/11 and was one of the best bigs in the game.

Everyone expected them to win ~ 65-70 games and win the finals with ease.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
94936 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 2:38 pm to
quote:

ETA: Nice edit - for those that missed it, this tard quoted Lebron's PER from his last years in Cleveland from the year before last, confirming he doesn't read.
You are still dumb as a box of emotional rocks

Lebron last 3 years in original cleveland

31.1 PER and .286 ws/48

LeBron is miami

30.0 PER and .282 ws/48


That is called a continuous prime

Wades numbers considerably dip from the 5 years before LeBron
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57262 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 2:52 pm to
quote:

You are still dumb as a box of emotional rocks

Lebron last 3 years in original cleveland

31.1 PER and .286 ws/48

LeBron is miami

30.0 PER and .282 ws/48


That is called a continuous prime

Wades numbers considerably dip from the 5 years before LeBron


Yeah it's called running the offense through Lebron exactly like he did in CLE.

Did Wade suddenly return to his prime in the finals that year when Lebron had a 17.1 PER and Wade had a 32.5 PER?

Or maybe they just ran the offense through Wade once they saw Lebron folding.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
94936 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 2:58 pm to
Its 4th of July week and tots are half off at Sonic

Just name the location friend
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57262 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 3:04 pm to
Sonic - Walker - 4:45
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 3:05 pm to
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Are you retarded? You don't think playing with Lebron dropped his PER because, I don't know...usage changing and sharing the ball, changing the offense.
Let’s use better metrics that are available for the time frame that can isolate both the offensive and defensive impact (PIPM and BOM) and regress those starting with the 2 years pre-lebron and 2 year post Lebron.

BPM, PIPM, and BPM/PIPM Combined Average Pre-Lebron
2008-2009—+9.70, +6.50, +8.10
2009-2010—+8.00, +6.20, +7.10

BPM, PIPM, and BPM/PIPM Combined Average with Lebron
2010-2011—+5.70, +4.50, +5.10
2011-2012—+3.40, +3.20, +3.80
2012-2013—+3.50, +3.00, +3.25
2013-2014—+1.90, -0.60, +0.65

BPM, PIPM, and BPM/PIPM Combined Average Post-Lebron
2014-2015–+1.60, -0.20, +0.70
2015-2015–+1.60, -0.30, +0.65

Regression coefficients over the course of 8 years
BPM -1.19 (R-Squared = 0.90)
PIPM -1.14 (R-Squared = 0.91)
Combined Average -1.17 (R-Squared = 0.94)

So as you can see Wade got consistently worse by about 1.1 to 1.2 point per 100 possessions each year before, during, and after his time with Lebron.

And the results were consistent across two separate measures and the overall fit was excellent (R-Squared > 0.90).
This post was edited on 7/1/19 at 3:09 pm
Posted by Dawgsontop34
Member since Jun 2014
42483 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 3:06 pm to
Wade was still pretty decent the first year or two LeBron was in Miami. Obviously not as good, but he definitely fell off pretty drastically after that, especially on the defensive side of the ball.
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