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re: The Miami Heat: A Microcosm of what is wrong with this Country
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:12 pm to tigerpimpbot
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:12 pm to tigerpimpbot
Why do people give a shite what some a-hole at a network thinks? Not directing this at you, but people act like they wrote the narrative/history of sports
I've resigned myself to the fact most Americans are retards but aw frick it /rant
I've resigned myself to the fact most Americans are retards but aw frick it /rant
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Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:12 pm to theunknownknight
If the OP had shown the slightest bit of objectivity in the past and not posted like a complete homer I would've bothered to read that long arse 1st post.
Instead tl; dr.
OP needs to admit he is biased and look at his own thought process.
Instead tl; dr.
OP needs to admit he is biased and look at his own thought process.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:15 pm to DelU249
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Why do people give a shite what some a-hole at a network thinks? Not directing this at you, but people act like they wrote the narrative/history of sports
Yeah, I hear you. It's the fricking "analysts" prognosticating and pontificating on a 24/7 cycle.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:17 pm to theunknownknight
So, you're telling me that three guys who are friends and want to win games is any better than the Lakers or Knicks or anyone else throwing cash at whoever else wants to win? They took paycuts to do it, and they were all through trades. There was nothing unfair about it whatsoever. It's hilarious how the Heat are a team that magically did something unheard of. Every player who is friends with another player, outside of KG's retarded arse, has probably discussed playing with one another. This one just fell into place.
It's okay, though. I'm a fan of the Pelicans so when we make a run, I can call the Lakers, Heat, and everyone else weak teams who didn't earn it like we did. It's pathetic how far people will go to hate Lebron James and the Heat.
It's okay, though. I'm a fan of the Pelicans so when we make a run, I can call the Lakers, Heat, and everyone else weak teams who didn't earn it like we did. It's pathetic how far people will go to hate Lebron James and the Heat.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:24 pm to theunknownknight
So you're saying being free to choose where you want to play is un-American?
You're saying taking less money to work with better people to accomplish more is un-American? How that a lack of dedication to teamwork?
Why does LeBron owe the Cavs loyalty? They were lucky to get him not the other way around. They didn't take a chance on some long shot talent who no other team would take.
Why did Bosh and Lebron owe loyalty to tea, that couldn't put anyone around them? Did the Cavs do lebron some huge favor like he wouldn't be in the league if they hadn't taken a chance on him?
You're saying taking less money to work with better people to accomplish more is un-American? How that a lack of dedication to teamwork?
Why does LeBron owe the Cavs loyalty? They were lucky to get him not the other way around. They didn't take a chance on some long shot talent who no other team would take.
Why did Bosh and Lebron owe loyalty to tea, that couldn't put anyone around them? Did the Cavs do lebron some huge favor like he wouldn't be in the league if they hadn't taken a chance on him?
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:25 pm to DelU249
quote:You picked the Bulls to go to the Finals in year 1.
It's not revisionist history. With that team they are a lock every year.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:32 pm to theunknownknight
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:33 pm to shel311
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You picked the Bulls to go to the Finals in year 1.
How dare you revise his revisionist history with the truth.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:37 pm to SammyTiger
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Why does LeBron owe the Cavs loyalty? They were lucky to get him not the other way around. They didn't take a chance on some long shot talent who no other team would take.
Yep. They got lucky with the ping pong balls.
What Miami has done is actually more impressive. They had the worst record in the league a couple of times and had bad luck in the lottery and have NEVER had a number 1 pick.
Also, the Spurs mini dynasty with Duncan was due to the lottery and getting him with the #1 pick as well. The Heat have not been fortunate in the lottery but did pick D Wade and without him, they would have zero titles and no LeBron right now.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:42 pm to theunknownknight
Great analogy. 
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:44 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
So you're saying being free to choose where you want to play is un-American?
You're saying taking less money to work with better people to accomplish more is un-American? How that a lack of dedication to teamwork?
Why does LeBron owe the Cavs loyalty? They were lucky to get him not the other way around. They didn't take a chance on some long shot talent who no other team would take.
Why did Bosh and Lebron owe loyalty to tea, that couldn't put anyone around them? Did the Cavs do lebron some huge favor like he wouldn't be in the league if they hadn't taken a chance on him?
I'm conflicted on this whole thing. I see what you're saying here and don't really disagree with any of it, yet at the same time seeing a bunch of superstars team up definitely cheapens the experience for me.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:47 pm to theunknownknight
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The Heat were DESIGNED in 2008 and constructed in 2010 driven by the PLAYERS.
The NBA is a players league.
I agree they short-cutted their way to greatness. But I personally like the players having more of a say in their own career.
NBA, NFL, MLB, etc.. owners all get to treat players like high turnover sales people. I like the fact that the NBA gives the players (the good/great ones) a lot ore say in their future.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:48 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I'm conflicted on this whole thing. I see what you're saying here and don't really disagree with any of it, yet at the same time seeing a bunch of superstars team up definitely cheapens the experience for me.
I completely would agree, but there are so many teams that were either loaded with stars or trying to load up on stars that it evened itself out. It's like the EPL. You have your top teams who dish out the money to compete, and then the rest of the teams fight to avoid relegation. It's obvious that the Heat didn't create that much of a superstar unbeatable team if they lost in one Finals and were taken to 7 games in the ECF and Finals this year.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:49 pm to theunknownknight
Best part is no one that matters will read this 
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:50 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:
I'm conflicted on this whole thing. I see what you're saying here and don't really disagree with any of it, yet at the same time seeing a bunch of superstars team up definitely cheapens the experience for me.
I'm a Pelicans fan (Go Pels!) I definitely don't like competing against superstar teams. But does it make a difference how they come together? I mean Manu/Parker/Duncan was a pretty awesome combo as was Shaq/Kobe, as Jordan/Pippen Rodman
What I really object to is that it is unamerican. I don't think the heat are entitled or don't work hard. Teams like that lose.
This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:52 pm to Dijkstra
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I completely would agree, but there are so many teams that were either loaded with stars or trying to load up on stars that it evened itself out.
I know, this whole thing with the Heat was unique from the decision to the not 2 not 3 not 4 not 5 thing to it being LeBron who is held to a higher standard that even other superstars (and rightfully so IMO). It put a really bad taste in people's mouths from the get go and even among people who have let it go i think there is still some resentment there.
Also it being Miami, a place that is not respected as a sports town at all doesn't help.
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It's like the EPL.
IMO the NBA is it's own animal with this sort of thing because 1 or 2 guys can make such a huge difference.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:55 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I'm conflicted on this whole thing. I see what you're saying here and don't really disagree with any of it, yet at the same time seeing a bunch of superstars team up definitely cheapens the experience for me.
Assembling a group of superstars though doesn't guarantee that they're going to play together and well enough to win multiple championships. This run for them in the post-season certainly wasn't easy or given to them.
I'm not a Heat fan, but I can't bring myself to hate on someone like Lebron who spent as much time in Cleveland as some players do a whole career in the NBA. Could his exit been a little classier? Sure. But I can understand finally getting to the point that things have to change in order to take that next step.
And frankly, Pat Riley is about as American as it gets when it comes to working for what you have. He certainly has a lot, but worked his arse off for it. He's just that good at assembling teams, coaching teams, and the guy is a winner.
This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 6/21/13 at 7:01 pm to BluegrassBelle
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I'm not a Heat fan, but I can't bring myself to hate on someone like Lebron who spent as much time in Cleveland as some players do a whole career in the NBA. Could his exit been a little classier? Sure. But I can understand finally getting to the point that things have to change in order to take that next step.
No one wants to be Kevin Garnett and look up and have spend 12 yeArs and most of their prime on a team that never had a chance. Especially when Kobe gets all the same amount of credit per championship when he played with Shaq, and Pau Gasol/ Andrew Bynum
Posted on 6/21/13 at 7:11 pm to theunknownknight
How did Shaq end up with the Lakers? He went there as a free agent. The same way LeBron and Bosh got to Miami. Those 3 Laker teams weren't exactly built by management unless you consider the willingness to write big paychecks to free agents superior management.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 7:13 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Speaking of The Decision, it's extremely evident that ESPN pushed extremely hard for it and is quite happy to let Lebron take all the heat for it. Anyone else think that it's extremely convenient that ESPN loses their feed the second The Decision is brought up by someone who has criticized them for it before? ESPN probably sent hookers with a treasure chest to his door, and he'd be stupid not to take it.
As for the EPL comparison, I just meant about the difference between the teams in the top 4 spots and everyone because of the talent disparity. It is different.
As for the EPL comparison, I just meant about the difference between the teams in the top 4 spots and everyone because of the talent disparity. It is different.
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