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re: The defense of the Red Sox front office re: Devers makes no sense
Posted on 6/17/25 at 5:50 pm to TigerFan91
Posted on 6/17/25 at 5:50 pm to TigerFan91
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FO def didn’t make an effort to make the team better by going out and signing Bregman and trading for Crochet
They apparently thought their job was done here because now they really should just trade Bregman too and start completely over.
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Posted on 6/17/25 at 5:51 pm to TigerFan91
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live up to the contract
post Devers stat line this season
This post was edited on 6/17/25 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 6/17/25 at 5:51 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I’m by no means a Red Sox fan, I think the funniest outcome is Bregman opting out and the org is even more fricked.
Just an interesting situation where both sides can be partially right and partially wrong depending on where you fall
Just an interesting situation where both sides can be partially right and partially wrong depending on where you fall
Posted on 6/17/25 at 5:52 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Fair enough live up to the contract was the wrong phrase there
Posted on 6/17/25 at 5:52 pm to TigerFan91
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I think the funniest outcome is Bregman opting out and the org is even more fricked.
This is the outcome John Henry and Craig Breslow deserve
Posted on 6/17/25 at 6:56 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Why would you tell the guy all offseason that, despite signing Bregman, he was still going to play 3rd only to completely reverse course once camp started?
There was no way in hell they were going to keep Devers (one of the worst fielding 3rd basemen in the league) at 3rd when they signed Bregman (one of the best fielding 3rd basemen in the league).
If he thought that, he was even dumber than he looked.
Posted on 6/17/25 at 10:48 pm to grizzlylongcut
Devers is no longer on the Red Sox because he hurt someone’s feelings, and that opened a window to do what the team’s proprietary computer model suggested. The team is now 100% model-driven, and it believes any contract, even an elite bat (or ace, if you’re talking pitching) can get underwater, which to me is an absolutely stunning fundamental flaw in the real-world ability to WIN BASEBALL GAMES!!
Posted on 6/18/25 at 10:04 am to Jcorye1
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This is not the A-Rod and Jeter situation. Devers is one of the worst defensive third basemen in league history. He also has been pretty dog shite about keeping up with his body, and it was a matter of when not if he got moved off the bag. He made absolutely zero effort to improve his defense while getting paid handsomely, which is a gigantic problem in of itself.
As a fellow Sox fan, this is exactly how i feel about Raffy. Consistently coming into camp overweight esp this yr where he struggled off the top. Constantly digressing at 3rd base b/c he can't move and his glove never really improved.
Him not responding to Papi's messages seem odd as a fellow Dominican. Papi did put him on blast in the media and he could have handled that different.
But, at the end he acted like a bitch b/c Breslow did a poor job at his job. Communication, I could give a shite about how many MIT degrees you have and your analytics. Your job is to communicate effectively, you didn't plain and simple. You were so bad about it that you couldn't fix it and here we are with a triple A lineup b/c you were bad at your job.
That's the bottom line. They were both at fault, Raffy was being a bitch about not being communicated too and Bres a bitch for being in his feelings.
I believe Raffy being paid all that money just to DH is also an issue. Esp if his weight continues to be a problem That contract just to hit is a massive overpay.
Bres best acquire someone at the deadline or his arse should be fired.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 11:25 am to Draconian Sanctions
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forget emotions you’re asking him to do something he can’t do and you’re not even giving him the support to do it.
Except apparently now he can do it, since he's on another team? And let's not assume we know exactly how this was communicated to Devers behind closed doors.
The media asked him about it in spring training, because it was a natural question to ask. He answered plainly "I play third".
Contrast that with the way Bregman responded to the same question. "I'll play wherever Alex Cora tells me to play."
No one is bigger than the team. And Rafael Devers CERTAINLY has not done enough in his career to earn this prima donna attitude. He can hit. That is literally the only thing he does well on a baseball field. I feel pretty confident the Red Sox will be just fine without him in the long term, though they are probably a bit worse without his bat in the lineup this year. But baseball is a strange sport. Maybe the rest of the team will rally together and go on a run. We'll see.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 11:40 am to Draconian Sanctions
I'm aware of the rumors and drama lol.
Joon Lee has been doing his best to pile on ever since the trade. I guess it's gotten him a lot of clicks?
For me, none of it excuses Devers' behavior.
Joon Lee has been doing his best to pile on ever since the trade. I guess it's gotten him a lot of clicks?
For me, none of it excuses Devers' behavior.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 12:08 pm to RoboTiger
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For me, none of it excuses Devers' behavior.
If a GM can’t put his ego aside to not publicly spar with the face of the franchise then the problem is the GM
That some of you will blindly defend obvious mismanagement in these situations is wild
This post was edited on 6/18/25 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 6/18/25 at 12:25 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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If a GM can’t put his ego aside to not publicly spar with the face of the franchise then the problem is the GM
That some of you will blindly defend obvious mismanagement in these situations is wild
Devers job is to do whatever the manager and the GM tell him to do within the terms of his $313 million contract and the MLBPA colective Bargaining Agreement.
Pete Rose made $7.1 million in 24 seasons and amassed more hits than any player in history. He also had no problem playing wherever he could to help his team win and made the NL All Star team at 5 different positions. But Rafael Devers should dictate where he wants to play on the field or whether he should even play defense at all? Good riddance!
This post was edited on 6/18/25 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 6/18/25 at 12:29 pm to Draconian Sanctions
First of all, it has been only Devers taking jabs at management and Breslow through the media. Not the other way around.
Secondly, why is Devers special in that they need to coddle and cater to him to get him to play a different position?
Duran
Rafaela
Story
Mayer
Campbell
Wong
Gonzalez
Hamilton
Toro
Have all played different positions at some point and there has been no issue.
Wilyer Abreu recently said he'll play wherever. He specifically mentioned 3rd, DH, outfield. Wherever he's needed.
Only ONE guy on the team has publicly said he won't do it. How do you think that makes the rest of the guys feel? You really think this is all because the GM mismanaged him? Do you think teams should bend over backwards to make one guy happy, at the expense of what's best for the team? Devers has been hearing people talk about his defense for years and refused to accept reality. He got ultra sensitive about it and behaved like a baby. Now he's gone. Good riddance.
Secondly, why is Devers special in that they need to coddle and cater to him to get him to play a different position?
Duran
Rafaela
Story
Mayer
Campbell
Wong
Gonzalez
Hamilton
Toro
Have all played different positions at some point and there has been no issue.
Wilyer Abreu recently said he'll play wherever. He specifically mentioned 3rd, DH, outfield. Wherever he's needed.
Only ONE guy on the team has publicly said he won't do it. How do you think that makes the rest of the guys feel? You really think this is all because the GM mismanaged him? Do you think teams should bend over backwards to make one guy happy, at the expense of what's best for the team? Devers has been hearing people talk about his defense for years and refused to accept reality. He got ultra sensitive about it and behaved like a baby. Now he's gone. Good riddance.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 1:54 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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forget emotions you’re asking him to do something he can’t do and you’re not even giving him the support to do it.
Devers had said he will play wherever the Giants ask him to play.
If he did that in Boston, he would still be there.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 1:56 pm to Blutarsky
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If he did that in Boston, he would still be there.
and if they had been professional he would have played 1st there
Posted on 6/18/25 at 1:57 pm to LSU82BILL
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Devers job is to do whatever the manager and the GM tell him to do
right but the organization has no responsibility to communicate professionally with their star player, yall are such shills
Posted on 6/18/25 at 3:22 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Players, even the best ones, are transitory. They don’t run the team.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 3:31 pm to InkStainedWretch
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Players, even the best ones, are transitory.
So are GM’s, coaches, and most owners
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They don’t run the team.
of course not, that doesn’t mean you get to absolve yourself as management from actually managing your players
Posted on 6/18/25 at 3:37 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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right but the organization has no responsibility to communicate professionally with their star player, yall are such shills
And what do you know about how they communicated to Devers that wasn't professional? They asked him to play 1B and he said "No". Did they not ask him nicely enough? This isn't that complicated. Devers is happy to have been traded and nobody forced the Red Sox to make the trade.
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