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re: The day the Browns passed on Big Ben
Posted on 4/20/16 at 10:17 am to PortCityTiger24
Posted on 4/20/16 at 10:17 am to PortCityTiger24
meh....you give brees Ben's WRs and this isn't even a debate
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Posted on 4/20/16 at 10:26 am to CarolinaGamecock99
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The Browns are literally the dumbest organization of all time.
Can't believe they drafted Manziel
Yep, but no sure thing in this draft at QB.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 10:30 am to WestCoastAg
Only a moron would've projected him as a top 10 pick. His off field stuff alone should've dropped him way past that. Add that to a playstyle and body type that won't work in the nfl and you get a late round draft pick at best.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 10:30 am to WestCoastAg
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was a 22nd pick and was projected as a top 10 pick. Really don't see what's so crazy about that
Top 10? No
He's 5'10, 180 pounds with an OK arm and a 4.7 forty
This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 10:32 am
Posted on 4/20/16 at 10:32 am to MrWiseGuy
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The day the Browns passed on Big Ben
Kind of like the day the Steelers (and a lot of other teams) passed on Dan Marino.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 10:33 am to MrWiseGuy
the only shot he had at going high was to the Cowboys and that's only because jones is a fricking moron.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 10:39 am to BilJ
lets face it. It wouldnt had mattered if they had drafted ben. He would have wasted away like every other qb there. Its the place qbs go to die.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 10:39 am to Mike_Archer_Fan_Club
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I am fighting my innate Saints bias here but this is a untenable assertion.
I mean, Brees is my favorite player of all time and he's still good. I just think Ben is better right now. Cam won the MVP last year and had worse receivers than Brees. Just trying to be realistic here.
Brees can still play obviously but he's slipping a little.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 10:52 am to PortCityTiger24
Brees avg stats the last 3 years:
68.7% comp pct
4995 yds
35 TDs
13 Ints
100.9 QB rating
Roethlisberger:
66.4% comp pct
4384 yds (note Ben missed 5 games this year to injury)
24 Tds
13 Ints
96.6 QB Rating
Sorry I don't see it. The Saints may be slipping as a team, but statistically Brees is not regressing much yet
68.7% comp pct
4995 yds
35 TDs
13 Ints
100.9 QB rating
Roethlisberger:
66.4% comp pct
4384 yds (note Ben missed 5 games this year to injury)
24 Tds
13 Ints
96.6 QB Rating
Sorry I don't see it. The Saints may be slipping as a team, but statistically Brees is not regressing much yet
This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 10:55 am
Posted on 4/20/16 at 10:55 am to MrWiseGuy
quote:you want to look back at mocks prior to the draft? a lot of them had him at cleveland at 8
Top 10? No
im not defending him by any means. but it really wasnt a super crazy pick when they made it. theyve been trying to find a QB for years and they took a gamble on him as his stock was falling on draft night
This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 10:58 am
Posted on 4/20/16 at 11:02 am to BilJ
You can draft Brady to the Clowns and he would flop. They play in the Factory of Sadness after all.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 11:12 am to WestCoastAg
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you want to look back at mocks prior to the draft? a lot of them had him at cleveland at 8
Yet he went 22
I doubt you'll find one orgabization that had Manziel as a top 10 prospect on its board.
This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 11:14 am
Posted on 4/20/16 at 11:14 am to MrWiseGuy
quote:ok?
Yet he went 22
quote:who the frick knows where he was on any one drafts board. probably low as he went in the late 1st round. still doesnt change that he was in the top 10 of the majority of mocks leading up to the draft
I doubt you'll find one team that had Manziel as a top 10 prospect on its board.
and once again, im not defending him or his career. just the decision of the browns to draft him at 22. it really wasnt that wild of a pick
Posted on 4/20/16 at 11:15 am to MrWiseGuy
quote:Actions speak louder than words. If teams had considered him a top 10 pick, he would have went in the top 10. Mock drafts are hot air.
Yet he went 22
I will admit that I whiffed on Manziel. I thought he was going to be a good not great NFL QB.
This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 11:17 am
Posted on 4/20/16 at 11:17 am to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:so then the browns choosing him at 22 isnt that wild. because since he was chosen at 22, then thats what his value was. and thats basically my point
If teams had considered him a top 10 pick, he would have went in the top 10.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 11:17 am to WestCoastAg
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still doesnt change that he was in the top 10 of the majority of mocks leading up to the draft
This is generally meaningless. Most of the time when players "Rise and fall" its just the draftniks catching up to the actual professional team scouts. Also, every single team has a different board.
Its probably likely that he just wasn't that highly rated by NFL teams, and was overrated by amateurs.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 11:19 am to Fun Bunch
quote:and thats possible. but i still dont find much fault with cleveland taking him at 22 when they have been looking for a QB for years. even though passing on carr is looking really bad
Its probably likely that he just wasn't that highly rated by NFL teams, and was overrated by amateurs.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 11:19 am to Rickety Cricket
quote:
By who?
Posted on 4/20/16 at 11:30 am to WestCoastAg
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projected as a top 10 pick. Really don't see what's so crazy about that
The fact that he was ever projected that high is pretty crazy. But the Browns don't seem to want to take a real risk at QB. Of all the guys they've had since they came back into the League, I believe they've only drafted Couch, Quinn, and Manziel in the 1st Round.
They could have had Bridgewater or Carr at 22 in 2014, could still have had Carr at 35.
I just think it's interesting to note that they haven't really missed out on any "sure thing" 1st round talents since that 2004 draft. Not factoring in trades, that is. They could have had Roethlisberger that year, or they could have drafted Rodgers in 2005. But he went 24th and they drafted 3rd.
They made some bad picks, but not at the expense of getting that franchise QB everyone is looking for.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 11:42 am to Chad504boy
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Ben was probably the worst starter on their first super bowl team.
He absolutely was. They won that game despite him.
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