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re: The ATL Thread: 2021 World Champion Atlanta Braves Offseason Thread
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:07 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:07 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
quote:right. Clearly dansby got screwed this season because of the voters’ love affair with Kevin newman. It has nothing to do with dansby having 0.0 dWAR and Newnan having 1.3
That award is a popularity contest.
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Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:08 pm to Broski
You’re severely underplaying how well Olson has been; even when it’s been pointed out in this thread and on this very page I believe. I also don’t agree we have up a “shite ton” for one of the best possible replacements for freeman. And again, he owes nothing more to Atlanta. He was asked to be the anchor of a rebuild and lead that team into contention. He gave many years of his career to shite teams and be accomplished his task.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:12 pm to td01241
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I also don’t agree we have up a “shite ton” for one of the best possible replacements for freeman.
Who do you think is the better player to have over the next two years?
Even if the answer is Olson, it is narrow at best, and we gave up 4 top prospects for him and one of them was supposed to be d'Arnaud's heir apparent.
Meanwhile, we could've had a similar first baseman without giving up those prospects, just had to give him the extra 6th year, money apparently wasn't the issue. Not to mention the leadership intangibles that Freddie brought, that no disrespect to Olson, he can't command that... and it would be unfair to expect that from him.
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And again, he owes nothing more to Atlanta
Where did this strawman come from? I never implied Freddie owes us anything.
This post was edited on 3/14/22 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:13 pm to diremustang
Dansby has been inconsistent but has shown plenty of stretches of potential that he can be a good player who may make 1 of 2 all star teams, if he can accomplish that. He’s also been extremely clutch multiple times. He’s absolutely someone we should move money around to anticipate extending. More of the money saved, and more importantly, will be frieds though.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:14 pm to Broski
I never said you or anyone else did I’m not constructing a straw man argument as that implies I’m attempting to make you look bad or tear your position down. Just staring a fact.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:18 pm to td01241
The deal only looks good if 1) Olson re-signs after 2023, which we have no reason to believe this organization will give someone in their 30's a long term deal... and 2) Freddie doesn't tear it up in LA, NY or wherever he goes.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:20 pm to Broski
I think you’re leaving out the part of the deal where we can give fried the money he will command as he’s coming into his own as our ace. Also even though for some reason it is controversial; when it shouldn’t be, keeping Dansby.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:21 pm to td01241
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I think you’re leaving out the part of the deal where we can give fried the money he will command as he’s coming into his own as our ace. Also even though for some reason it is controversial; when it shouldn’t be, keeping Dansby.
Based on the expected income for this season and beyond assuming the team stays competitive, Liberty Media would likely be able to afford that if they wanted to.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:21 pm to Broski
Also that gives us a two year window anticipating Olson walks to move Riley to first and sign or promote a third basemen or move Dansby there and do the same at SS. It buys us time, keeps us relatively the same offensively, and gives us money flexibility to resign some important players near term
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:23 pm to diremustang
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Never even said he was a bust. Just said I though trading for bryant or Ramirez and moving Riley to the outfield would give us the best chance to win. And those moves instead of resigning Ozuna would have made us a better team in the regular season. This is just another example of what everyone hates about SBD. Blowing mild criticism out of proportion and acting like Nostradamus over one good prediction among 20 bad ones.
I was gonna say, I don’t remember anyone otb saying Riley was a bust, even after his abysmal 2020 season. That team was really good and clearly needed to make a few upgrades, and at the time Riley was coming off a very bad year after tailing off big time towards the end of 2019. There’s a reason the front office was kicking the tires on Arenado and Bryant last offseason.
Obviously the best case scenario by far was Riley making a big leap instead of dumping a ton of assets on an older, more expensive 3rd basemen. But it’s so fricking weird that goofball constantly resorts to mentioning Riley like he’s the only person on the planet who likes him
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:25 pm to td01241
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and gives us money flexibility to resign some important players near term
The flexibility was already supposed to be there with the Acuna and Ozzie deals.
We won a world series, but AA's philosophy of financial flexibility had nothing to do with it. He made some shrewd bargain bin trades at the deadline that all hit. I'm thankful for that, but we have to acknowledge how lucky that was.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:27 pm to Broski
Regarding the scuna and Ozzie deals I agree that was the plan but I think two factors changed it.
1) We won a World Series, some players will command more
2) the simple fact is teams like the Dodgers and Yankees can afford to risk the massive Freeman deal. Atlanta cannot, or should I say will not commit the money to do so..
1) We won a World Series, some players will command more
2) the simple fact is teams like the Dodgers and Yankees can afford to risk the massive Freeman deal. Atlanta cannot, or should I say will not commit the money to do so..
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:32 pm to Broski
When has Liberty ever given a blank check?
You are too emotional. Before the WS I said resigining Freddie was probably not the best thing.
Then AA offered and waited for Freddie to decide. He had to move on or you lose out on Olson and have no 1st baseman.
Even if Olson is gone after 2 years it's still the better move He's cheaper and he'll put up better numbers. If he resigns it's a Grand Slam deal.
And let's be honest, Shea is the only guy worth a shite. Pache can't hit and the pitchers have 2 pitches. For years people bitched why we kept all these prospects and didn't trade them for pieces. So we finally trade some for a top 3 1st baseman and people still bitch. Unbelievable.
You are too emotional. Before the WS I said resigining Freddie was probably not the best thing.
Then AA offered and waited for Freddie to decide. He had to move on or you lose out on Olson and have no 1st baseman.
Even if Olson is gone after 2 years it's still the better move He's cheaper and he'll put up better numbers. If he resigns it's a Grand Slam deal.
And let's be honest, Shea is the only guy worth a shite. Pache can't hit and the pitchers have 2 pitches. For years people bitched why we kept all these prospects and didn't trade them for pieces. So we finally trade some for a top 3 1st baseman and people still bitch. Unbelievable.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:37 pm to Boss
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You are too emotional.
This is such a lame thing to say just to try and get the upperhand in a debate.
Me worried about giving up 4 prospects for two years of Olson is not emotional.
This has nothing to do with sentimentality of Freeman wearing a Braves uniform, it has everything to do with what is the best way to make the most of this "win now" window we're in. I think giving Freddie a 6th year just to make sure we have the core in place at its peak powers for 3-4 years is the way to do it.
We'll see. I'll still cheer for the team over a player.
This post was edited on 3/14/22 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:39 pm to Broski
Truly, does anyone but Shea really raise even a bit of doubt?
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:41 pm to td01241
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Truly, does anyone but Shea really raise even a bit of doubt?
Cusick being raw but 6-foot-6 and already throwing 99 MPH, would've been a nice piece to keep and see what he could turn into.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:53 pm to Broski
I bet Olson won’t get struck out by Rizzo.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 10:08 pm to Dale Murphy
I'm just dropping in to say I hate this trade... This is Mark Teixeira level bad trade. And just like that trade, it's not about the player we're getting, it's what we're giving up for one guy. Unless you're acquiring a "generational talent", this is too much.
I don't mind trading Pache. That seemed inevitable. but trading away two very high ceiling pitching prospects, and your would-be future catcher (which is an incredibly important position), who had the chance to have a Yadier Molina type of impact on this franchise, is way too steep of a price for Matt Olson.
I truly believe that it would have been better to overpay Freeman than to do this. Not to mention Freeman is a far better player than Olson, anyway. This is precisely the type of move I was concerned about when the Braves first hired AA. This is what he did did in Toronto, going all in for the short term, and putting that franchise right back into a rebuild.
I had hoped that with the Braves winning the World series last year on the strength of their core players and some guys they acquired for a couple of bags of peanuts, that AA would have learned that it isn't necessary to overreact and sell of a ton of talent to try to plug holes. But this was a huge overreaction, in my opinion, to losing Freeman. I can't believe we're letting him walk.
This is the most disappointed I've ever been in the Braves.
I don't mind trading Pache. That seemed inevitable. but trading away two very high ceiling pitching prospects, and your would-be future catcher (which is an incredibly important position), who had the chance to have a Yadier Molina type of impact on this franchise, is way too steep of a price for Matt Olson.
I truly believe that it would have been better to overpay Freeman than to do this. Not to mention Freeman is a far better player than Olson, anyway. This is precisely the type of move I was concerned about when the Braves first hired AA. This is what he did did in Toronto, going all in for the short term, and putting that franchise right back into a rebuild.
I had hoped that with the Braves winning the World series last year on the strength of their core players and some guys they acquired for a couple of bags of peanuts, that AA would have learned that it isn't necessary to overreact and sell of a ton of talent to try to plug holes. But this was a huge overreaction, in my opinion, to losing Freeman. I can't believe we're letting him walk.
This is the most disappointed I've ever been in the Braves.
This post was edited on 3/14/22 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 3/14/22 at 10:08 pm to Dale Murphy
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DataBase Hit @DatabaseHit Matt Olson’s spray chart since 2018 overlaid at Truist Park. #Braves
Posted on 3/14/22 at 10:10 pm to Metaloctopus
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This is Mark Teixeira level bad trade.
Nah.
Half a season =/= 2 full seasons.
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