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Posted on 10/26/24 at 8:33 am to
Posted by VinegarStrokes
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Posted on 10/26/24 at 8:33 am to
I think you nailed it with those 2 options. Very AA type acquisitions
Posted by AHM21
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Posted on 10/26/24 at 8:49 am to
Posted by sorantable
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Posted on 10/26/24 at 9:34 am to
I thought the Braves were done bumming me out in 2024, but here we are.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
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Posted on 10/26/24 at 10:01 am to
I must be the only one who just doesn’t really care. It didn’t work out.

Freeman is in a good spot, Braves aren’t in a materially worse spot, that’s just baseball.

Happy for FF of course. Good things happening to decent human beings is always good.
Posted by Broski
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Posted on 10/26/24 at 11:19 am to
I care because letting him walk made the team we were directly competing with for NL supremacy get significantly better, and we got worse. Think about it, that move involved the two teams who had made the NLCS the last two years. It also set the precedent that AA's Braves will let anyone who is nearing 30 go into the open market. He outsmarted himself by worrying about extending our playoff window by a couple of more years by getting a player slightly younger in Olson, but hurt our World Series window by replacing an MVP-level player in his prime with a lesser player – and that's not me shitting on Olson, who is a good player, it's just that Freddie is the best 1B in the game.

Kind of like with the Contreras for Murphy deal, it was a questionable move at the time even without the hindsight. With hindsight, it looks downright stupid now.

Freddie gave us every opportunity in the 2020 offseason to re-sign him and then we still could've had him in the open market in 2021 if we gave him the extra year. Hubris got in the way and now, like you said, Freddie is in a much better situation, but it's at our expense... that sucks.
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
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Posted on 10/26/24 at 2:01 pm to
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Happy for FF . Good things happening to decent human beings is always good.

This is all that needs to be said.
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 10/26/24 at 2:03 pm to
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I think it's safe to say AA is going to go get a starter this offseason. Should be plenty of interesting options available. Does he go get someone like Nate Eovaldi? Maybe take a shot on big upside and give someone like Walker Buehler a one year deal?

Shane Beiber on a one-year prove it deal would also be right up AA's alley
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
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Posted on 10/26/24 at 2:24 pm to
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It was over once we let him get into the open market. AA was an idiot for how he tried to kick the can down the road and not re-sign him before the 2021 season.


It didn't help that Liberty told him they were going to hold off on raising the payroll until they saw how the COVID recovery would play out. Most reputable guys who covered the team(Schultz chief amongst them) said that AA wes going to offer Freddie an extension until that happened and we all know the rest.
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
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Posted on 10/26/24 at 4:41 pm to
I think COVID plus lockout really screwed it up.
Posted by Broski
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Posted on 10/26/24 at 8:14 pm to
Freddie homered again

That's 4 world Series games in a row that he has homered.
Posted by Broski
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Posted on 10/28/24 at 8:55 pm to
Freddie homered again... again

He's got the series MVP on lock. We look like buffoons.
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
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Posted on 10/29/24 at 7:39 am to
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We look like buffoons.


I get the sentiment, but what guarantees would've we had that Freddie would've produced the way he did?
Posted by sorantable
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 10/29/24 at 8:53 am to
He’s a hall of famer, and would have been fantastic for us just like he has them.
Posted by lsu31always
Team 31™
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Posted on 10/29/24 at 10:50 am to
Same dude that had a .377 ops in the nlcs?
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
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Posted on 10/29/24 at 11:40 am to
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Braves aren’t in a materially worse spot,


We kind of are though.

We aren't in a bad spot, but I don't know how anyone can debate that we should have signed Freddie and reallocated the resources from the Olson deal.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 10/29/24 at 11:42 am to
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It didn't help that Liberty told him they were going to hold off on raising the payroll until they saw how the COVID recovery would play out.


I'm about 99.9% sure I've seen you (and 100% sure I've seen other people) say that Liberty has nothing to do with the team. (they absolutely do, for the record, and they are why when this team has to be torn down its going to be very painful and take a long, long time).
Posted by Broski
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Posted on 10/29/24 at 11:43 am to
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Same dude that had a .377 ops in the nlcs?



Better than our collective .000 OPS in the NLDS and NLCS
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 10/29/24 at 12:17 pm to
Certain people up in their feelings ITT RN.

We can all cheer for Freddie the person w/o getting all bent out of shape about him leaving. What happened, happened. Nobody's mind is going to be changed this far down the road. Let's pull for Freddie and be happy for him.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
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Posted on 10/29/24 at 12:23 pm to
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
79267 posts
Posted on 10/29/24 at 2:15 pm to
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Certain people up in their feelings ITT RN.





When Freddie left, you called him soft and immature while saying he would never reach the same success that he did with the Braves.
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