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Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:48 pm to
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:48 pm to
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Please someone to call out all the idiots from that thread. Especially cirmsonian.


Crow tastes good right now.
Posted by okietiger
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:50 pm to
BUT JHEY DOESNT HIT 73 HR A YEAR HE'S A SCRUB
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:53 pm to


I ripped Atlanta pretty good for that deal in that thread. At the time, it seemed (to me) like they weren't willing to pony up to be competitive. That trade had a very Marlins feel to it.

Eventually, they will have to open the wallet but they've done a great job stashing away a lot of long term potential. Remains to be seen how it all pans out.
Posted by lsu31always
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:57 pm to
There is a huge difference between the Braves and Marlins. The Marlins succeed then blew up cause the won one. The Braves recognized that it was just not working and instead of getting 2 comp picks for upton and heyward, decided to maximize their value. The Braves are rebuilding the correct way. Scary as this may seem, our farm will be much better one year from today. The future is bright. This isn't a 20 year pirates rebuild.
Posted by volfan30
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 3:46 pm to
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@JonHeymanCBS 29s29 seconds ago
Nats are in on jason heyward. Mystery team has been solved. Washington joins cubs, cards in JH derby.


PLZ CUBS
Posted by lsu31always
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 3:55 pm to
For frick sake
Posted by okietiger
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 3:59 pm to
I will likely cry if he goes to Washington.
Posted by Dale Murphy
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 4:02 pm to
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I will likely cry tears of joy if he goes to Washington because their offense will be terrible for the next decade
Posted by okietiger
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 4:03 pm to
You're so much smarter than the GMs of St. Louis, Chicago, and Washington.

I, for one, feel honored that you grace us with your presence here sir.
Posted by Dale Murphy
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 4:07 pm to
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You're so much smarter than the GMs of St. Louis, Chicago, and Washington


You mean those teams that are only good because they sucked for so long and built up their farm?

No, I never pretend to be smarter than any GM, but I don't see why having the opinion that JHey isn't worth a $200 million contract is such heresy by some Braves fans.
Posted by okietiger
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 4:08 pm to
Forget Washington: you do realize who the current GM of the Cubs is right?
Posted by Dale Murphy
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 4:13 pm to
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you do realize who the current GM of the Cubs is right?


Yes, and while I do believe he's a great GM, has he ever really had to work under budget constraints? There are reasons none of the mid market teams are in on Heyward. It's because they know it's a waste of money. If I had a billion dollars to spend, I'd take the chance, too. If he doesn't pan out, I'd just buy the next overrated free agent that comes along.
Posted by piggidyphish
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 4:15 pm to
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There are reasons none of the mid market teams are in on Heyward. It's because they know it's a waste of money.


Wow...no other possible explanations, only that it's a 'waste of money."

Also, and this is just to kind of poke at you, Hoyer is the GM, Theo is president of baseball operations.

quote:

has he ever really had to work under budget constraints?


Yes...every year until this year with the cubs. You might remember such awesome sign and flip guys like scott feldman that he traded for jake arrieta. Point being, his talent evaluation, is pretty good.
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 4:18 pm
Posted by RollDatRoll
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 4:15 pm to
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jason heyward


quote:

Washington


Posted by lsu31always
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 4:16 pm to
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Forget Washington: you do realize who the current GM of the Cubs is right?

What has Jed Hoyer ever done?
Posted by piggidyphish
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 4:17 pm to
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What has Jed Hoyer ever done?


He traded anthony rizzo to the cubs...so maybe he is an idiot.
Posted by Dale Murphy
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 4:19 pm to
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Wow...no other possible explanations, only that it's a 'waste of money."


I'm sure there are plenty of teams that would want to get into the picture, and many of them may have $20 million to spend, i.e. the Braves. But 90% of the teams in MLB don't think it's worth it.
There are only 4-5 teams even in the running per most reports. If he was really a $20 million/year player, I'd assume more teams would be calling.

quote:

Also, and this is just to kind of poke at you, Hoyer is the GM, Theo is president of baseball operations.


Well I assumed he was talking about Epstein. Not sure why he would bring up the Cubs if he was talking about Hoyer.
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 4:21 pm
Posted by piggidyphish
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 4:20 pm to
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But 90% of the teams in MLB don't think it's worth it.



You polled them?

Just asking, but you do understand that there are teams out there that may feel hes worth it but they've got too much money tied up in other players, or more pressing needs than an OF, right?

Further more 90% of mlb teams is 27 teams. But there are 4 teams (LAA, Cubs, Nats, Cards) in on heyward.
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 4:22 pm
Posted by Dale Murphy
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 4:23 pm to
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You polled them?


Again, the backlash of having the opinion that JHey isn't ungodly is pretty astounding.
If he gets the max contract that is being discussed, where would that rank him in terms of position players? I don't want to do the research but I'd assume top 3 or so. If you think he's a top 3 position player, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Posted by Dale Murphy
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 4:24 pm to
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Further more 90% of mlb teams is 27 teams. But there are 4 teams (LAA, Cubs, Nats, Cards) in on heyward.


Bastard

And all are big market high payroll teams that can afford the risk. And that's exactly what he is, a risk.
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