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re: Tampa Bay Bucs expects to be big in FA this offseason
Posted on 12/28/12 at 12:07 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
Posted on 12/28/12 at 12:07 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
They could use help in secondary that is for sure...
Possible Free Agents:
efensive Backs:
Michael Adams – ARI
Rashad Johnson – ARI
James Sanders – ARI
Greg Toler – ARI
Robert McClain – ATL – (RFA)
Brent Grimes – ATL
Chris Hope – ATL
William Moore – ATL
Chris Owens – ATL
Emanuel Cook – BAL – (RFA)
Sean Considine – BAL
James Ihedigbo – BAL
Chris Johnson – BAL
Ed Reed – BAL
Cary Williams – BAL
Jairus Byrd – BUF
Leodis McKelvin – BUF
Nate Ness – CAR – (RFA)
Sherrod Martin – CAR
Captain Munnerlyn – CAR
Zackary Bowman – CHI
Kelvin Hayden – CHI
D.J. Moore – CHI
Jeromy Miles – CIN – (RFA)
Nate Clements – CIN
Chris Crocker – CIN
Pacman Jones – CIN
Terence Newman – CIN
Dimitri Patterson – CLE
Sheldon Brown – CLE
Raymond Ventrone – CLE
Vince Agnew – DAL – E
Danny McCray – DAL – (RFA)
Eric Frampton – DAL
Mike Jenkins – DAL
Charlie Peprah – DAL
David Bruton – DEN
Tony Carter – DEN
Jim Leonhard – DEN
Tracy Porter – DEN
Don Carey – DET – (RFA)
Ricardo Silva – DET – (RFA)
Amari Spievey – DET – (RFA)
Erik Coleman – DET
Louis Delmas – DET
Drayton Florence – DET
Chris Houston – DET
Jacob Lacey – DET
Pat Lee – DET
Sam Shields – GB – (RFA)
Alan Ball – HOU
Quintin Demps – HOU
Brice McCain – HOU
Glover Quin – HOU
Josh Gordy – IND – (RFA)
Cassius Vaughn – IND – (RFA)
Darius Butler – IND
Jerraud Powers – IND
Derek Cox – JAC
Chris Harris – JAC
Rashean Mathis – JAC
William Middleton – JAC
Kyle McCarthy – KC – (RFA)
Travis Daniels – KC
Abram Elam – KC
Jonathon Amaya – MIA – (RFA)
Bryan McCann – MIA – (RFA)
R.J. Stanford – MIA – (RFA)
Chris Clemons – MIA
Sean Smith – MIA
Marcus Sherels – MIN – E
A.J. Jefferson – MIN – (RFA)
Andrew Sendejo – MIN – (RFA)
Jamarca Sanford – MIN
Malcolm Williams – NE – E
Will Allen – NE
Kyle Arrington – NE
Josh Barrett – NE
Pat Chung – NE
Marquice Cole – NE
Derrick Martin – NE
Aqib Talib – NE
Rafael Bush – NO – (Ex)
Elbert Mack – NO
Stevie Brown – NYG – (RFA)
Michael Coe – NYG
Justin Tryon – NYG
Kenny Phillips – NYG
Brian Witherspoon – NYG
Isaiah Trufant – NYJ – (Ex)
Yeremiah Bell – NYJ
LaRon Landry – NYJ
Brandian Ross – OAK – (Ex)
Phillip Adams – OAK – (RFA)
Coye Francies – OAK – (RFA)
Ronald Bartell – OAK
Matt Giordano – OAK
Joselio Hanson – OAK
Michael Mitchell – OAK
Shawntae Spencer – OAK
Ronald Bartell – OAK
Colt Anderson – PHI – (RFA)
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie – PHI
Demarcus Van Dyke – PIT – (Ex)
Will Allen – PIT
Keenan Lewis – PIT
Ryan Mundy – PIT
Chris Carr – SD
Antoine Cason – SD
Quentin Jammer – SD
Corey Lynch – SD
Chris Maragos – SEA – (RFA)
Marcus Trufant – SEA
Tramaine Brock – SF – (RFA)
Dashon Goldson – SF
Darcel McBath – SF
Darian Stewart – STL – (RFA)
Craig Dahl – STL
Bradley Fletcher – STL
Ronde Barber – TB
E.J. Biggers – TB
Ryan Mouton – TEN
Cedric Griffin – WAS
Tanard Jackson – WAS
Madieu Williams – WAS
Possible Free Agents:
efensive Backs:
Michael Adams – ARI
Rashad Johnson – ARI
James Sanders – ARI
Greg Toler – ARI
Robert McClain – ATL – (RFA)
Brent Grimes – ATL
Chris Hope – ATL
William Moore – ATL
Chris Owens – ATL
Emanuel Cook – BAL – (RFA)
Sean Considine – BAL
James Ihedigbo – BAL
Chris Johnson – BAL
Ed Reed – BAL
Cary Williams – BAL
Jairus Byrd – BUF
Leodis McKelvin – BUF
Nate Ness – CAR – (RFA)
Sherrod Martin – CAR
Captain Munnerlyn – CAR
Zackary Bowman – CHI
Kelvin Hayden – CHI
D.J. Moore – CHI
Jeromy Miles – CIN – (RFA)
Nate Clements – CIN
Chris Crocker – CIN
Pacman Jones – CIN
Terence Newman – CIN
Dimitri Patterson – CLE
Sheldon Brown – CLE
Raymond Ventrone – CLE
Vince Agnew – DAL – E
Danny McCray – DAL – (RFA)
Eric Frampton – DAL
Mike Jenkins – DAL
Charlie Peprah – DAL
David Bruton – DEN
Tony Carter – DEN
Jim Leonhard – DEN
Tracy Porter – DEN
Don Carey – DET – (RFA)
Ricardo Silva – DET – (RFA)
Amari Spievey – DET – (RFA)
Erik Coleman – DET
Louis Delmas – DET
Drayton Florence – DET
Chris Houston – DET
Jacob Lacey – DET
Pat Lee – DET
Sam Shields – GB – (RFA)
Alan Ball – HOU
Quintin Demps – HOU
Brice McCain – HOU
Glover Quin – HOU
Josh Gordy – IND – (RFA)
Cassius Vaughn – IND – (RFA)
Darius Butler – IND
Jerraud Powers – IND
Derek Cox – JAC
Chris Harris – JAC
Rashean Mathis – JAC
William Middleton – JAC
Kyle McCarthy – KC – (RFA)
Travis Daniels – KC
Abram Elam – KC
Jonathon Amaya – MIA – (RFA)
Bryan McCann – MIA – (RFA)
R.J. Stanford – MIA – (RFA)
Chris Clemons – MIA
Sean Smith – MIA
Marcus Sherels – MIN – E
A.J. Jefferson – MIN – (RFA)
Andrew Sendejo – MIN – (RFA)
Jamarca Sanford – MIN
Malcolm Williams – NE – E
Will Allen – NE
Kyle Arrington – NE
Josh Barrett – NE
Pat Chung – NE
Marquice Cole – NE
Derrick Martin – NE
Aqib Talib – NE
Rafael Bush – NO – (Ex)
Elbert Mack – NO
Stevie Brown – NYG – (RFA)
Michael Coe – NYG
Justin Tryon – NYG
Kenny Phillips – NYG
Brian Witherspoon – NYG
Isaiah Trufant – NYJ – (Ex)
Yeremiah Bell – NYJ
LaRon Landry – NYJ
Brandian Ross – OAK – (Ex)
Phillip Adams – OAK – (RFA)
Coye Francies – OAK – (RFA)
Ronald Bartell – OAK
Matt Giordano – OAK
Joselio Hanson – OAK
Michael Mitchell – OAK
Shawntae Spencer – OAK
Ronald Bartell – OAK
Colt Anderson – PHI – (RFA)
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie – PHI
Demarcus Van Dyke – PIT – (Ex)
Will Allen – PIT
Keenan Lewis – PIT
Ryan Mundy – PIT
Chris Carr – SD
Antoine Cason – SD
Quentin Jammer – SD
Corey Lynch – SD
Chris Maragos – SEA – (RFA)
Marcus Trufant – SEA
Tramaine Brock – SF – (RFA)
Dashon Goldson – SF
Darcel McBath – SF
Darian Stewart – STL – (RFA)
Craig Dahl – STL
Bradley Fletcher – STL
Ronde Barber – TB
E.J. Biggers – TB
Ryan Mouton – TEN
Cedric Griffin – WAS
Tanard Jackson – WAS
Madieu Williams – WAS
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Posted on 12/28/12 at 12:21 pm to tduecen
quote:
Wonder what kind of moves the Bucs could make to close the gap on Atlanta.
The Falcons and the Saints will be trading back and forth for 3-4 years. I don't think Freeman or Newton will ever be consistently good.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 12:24 pm to Patrick O Rly
The Bucs are trending upwards
The Saints are on a downwards trend
The Saints are on a downwards trend
Posted on 12/28/12 at 12:25 pm to Patrick O Rly
quote:Saints have a ton of issues on defense and they will be losing some key players next year.
Saints will be trading back and forth for 3-4 years
If Cap is 121 Million as projected the Saints would be 16 million over.
quote:
The club is currently around $16 million over a 2013 league-wide cap figure that has long been projected to increase only slightly over the 2012 figure of $120.6 million, and the team will need to re-sign left tackle Jermon Bushrod and defensive tackle Sedrick Ellis, as well as clear a few million dollars for a restricted free agent tender on center Brian De La Puente. (A "First Round" tender would be worth $2.879 million in 2013, a mandatory five percent increase over the 2012 restricted free agent tender amounts)
Triplett notes that the Saints could part ways with defensive end Will Smith, who is scheduled to earn $9 million in base salary and, according to a source with knowledge of Smith's contract, a $1 million roster bonus that is due on the 15th day of the 2013 league year, plus a $150,000 workout bonus. Along with proration from signing bonuses, Smith's 2013 cap figure stands at $14,502,451. Releasing Smith outright, which the club may have to do in order to be cap compliant at the start of the new league year in March, would save $10.15 million in cash and $7.719 million in cap space. If the Saints designated Smith as a "post-June 1" release, they would save over $10 million in space in 2013, but the veteran defensive end would remain on the books ($2.392 million) through 2014.
quote:
Triplett also mentions linebacker Jonathan Vilma, whose release would clear $6 million in cash and cap space, a figure comprised of his $4.8 million base salary, a $100,000 workout bonus and a $1.1 million roster bonus that comes due on the second day of the 2013 league year.
Another component of a potential 2013 salary cap mess is quarterback Drew Brees, whose five-year, $100 million contract calls for a cap figure rise from $10.4 million in 2012 to $17.4 million in 2013. Brees actually counts $15.325 million against the Saints' 2012 cap - due to carryover signing bonus proration from the voidable year of his previous contract - but his new deal provides a path towards salary cap compliance.
According to a source with knowledge of the contract, Brees' $9.75 million base salary in 2013 will become fully guaranteed three days after Super Bowl XLVII. The Saints could ask Brees to reduce his base salary to the league minimum ($940,000) and convert the remaining $8.81 million into a signing bonus. If prorated over the four remaining seasons on Brees' contract, that simple restructure would reduce Brees' cap number to $10.7925 million, a cap savings of $6.6 million. The Saints could clear over $7 million in 2013 cap space if they tacked on an additional season to Brees' contract and prorated the renegotiated signing bonus over the maximum five seasons. Since the Saints are going to rob Peter to pay Paul, why not take as much as they can get now?
Posted on 12/28/12 at 12:34 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
quote:
The Bucs are trending upwards
The Saints are on a downwards trend
We had a down year no doubt, but we still have one of the best QB's in the league who probably has 3-4 good years left, give or take. We will have some cap issues, but our scouting department has down an excellent job at finding starting talent and depth in the lower rounds and in udfa.
And while I do think the Bucs are heading in the right direction, I wouldn't be too thrilled as a Bucs fan if Freeman was part of the long term plans. It's not about his talents or physical gifts. IMO he has sub par field vision and decision making skills. I'm not sure how much better that'll get. I just don't think he'll ever be consistently good.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 1:01 pm to Patrick O Rly
If Brees isn't open to restructure Saints will be in a world of hurt
Posted on 12/28/12 at 1:06 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
You have to be fricking retarded to believe that 
Posted on 12/28/12 at 1:08 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
quote:
The Bucs are trending upwards
If trending upwards is our players and coaches damn near brawling on the sidelines then I want no part of trending upward.
I do think they're in better shape, even with Freeman, then some on here indicate though. I think they're a few good moves on defense from being a solid team.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 1:10 pm to BluegrassBelle
NFC South is gonna be one tough division next year (...again).
P.S. Hey Belle.
P.S. Hey Belle.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 1:13 pm to BluegrassBelle
Freeman will never be elite (I'm reminded of the Flacco vs Freeman thread a few years ago) but he is above avg. He has looked good in spurts this season and they can win in the South with him at QB.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 1:13 pm to tduecen
quote:
Yeah past 2 games he has 8 interceptions and only 1 touchdown
But that is down from 22 picks last year.
Freeman- 55 starts, 62 interceptions, 36 fumbles.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 1:16 pm to tduecen
quote:
Saints have a ton of issues on defense and they will be losing some key players next year.
I agree about the D, but who exactly are we losing worth a shite? Our main guys are pretty much on offense. Brees, Graham, Evans, Colston, Sproles, Thomas, Grubbs, and Moore. As far as I know we aren't losing any one of those. On d we are keeping Lofton, who is probably the best player on defense. I couldn't give a shite if/when we lose Ellis, Smith, Vilma, or any of those others.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 1:17 pm to jrodLSUke
Hi darlin' 
And tduecen I agree. Their defense burned them a few times this season and it makes a world of difference when you have guys who can keep your offense on the field.
And tduecen I agree. Their defense burned them a few times this season and it makes a world of difference when you have guys who can keep your offense on the field.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 1:19 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:
And tduecen I agree. Their defense burned them a few times this season and it makes a world of difference when you have guys who can keep your offense on the field.
Hmm...sounds like a team I watch from time to time.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 1:22 pm to F machine
quote:None on offense although they will have to do something with the center De La Puente who is eligible for contract.
Brees, Graham, Evans, Colston, Sproles, Thomas, Grubbs, and Moore.
quote:You still have to replace a ton of players on defense and being 16 million over the cap a few players you don't wanna lose you may lose.
On d we are keeping Lofton, who is probably the best player on defense. I couldn't give a shite if/when we lose Ellis, Smith, Vilma, or any of those others.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 1:25 pm to TigerintheNO
but he does have 77 passing touchdowns and 4 rushing touchdowns.....
Doubt he ever does again what he did in 2010 (25 TD 6 INT) but he could be a 25-30 TD and 15-18 INT guy
Doubt he ever does again what he did in 2010 (25 TD 6 INT) but he could be a 25-30 TD and 15-18 INT guy
Posted on 12/28/12 at 1:26 pm to tduecen
quote:
You still have to replace a ton of players on defense and being 16 million over the cap a few players you don't wanna lose you may lose.
shite I don't know. Whenever the backups come in, they play better most of the time. Backup safety did pretty damn good whenever he got time. Way I see it, defense really can't do any worse than they did most of the season. As far as the cap goes, Loomis tends to work that out pretty well every season, so all I can do is hope he can fix it without losing anyone of importance.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 1:30 pm to F machine
quote:Well Vilma isn't a playmaker on defense anymore bt he is a leader in locker room, Ellis/Will Smith should be gone, probably Harper, Bunkley, and no clue who else..... Losing Smith would save 7.7 million, Vilma would be 6 million, Grubbs/Hawthorne may be released as well since Saints will need to clear enough room for draft picks and RFA as well.
Loomis tends to work that out pretty well every season, so all I can do is hope he can fix it without losing anyone of importance.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 1:33 pm to tduecen
quote:
Well Vilma isn't a playmaker on defense anymore bt he is a leader in locker room, Ellis/Will Smith should be gone, probably Harper, Bunkley, and no clue who else..... Losing Smith would save 7.7 million, Vilma would be 6 million, Grubbs/Hawthorne may be released as well since Saints will need to clear enough room for draft picks and RFA as well.
I doubt they release Harper. I don't think they will release Grubbs either. He hasn't played bad at all, so it'd be pretty hard to release him. Hawthorne is possible I suppose.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 1:34 pm to F machine
quote:
The Saints currently have around $2.5 million in cap space remaining in 2012 and whatever is left over at the end of the season could be rolled over into 2013. By releasing Smith and Vilma, and renegotiating the contract of Brees and Evans, the Saints could create over $25 million in cap space in 2013, which would not only pull them into cap compliance, it would allow them to keep Bushrod, Ellis and perhaps add a piece or two in free agency. The Saints may not necessarily stop there, either.
Guard Ben Grubbs is due $5.2 million in base salary and over $3.3 million in cap space could be cleared if his contract is renegotiated the same way that Brees' and Evans' deals are expected to this offseason.
Another contract to keep an eye on after Super Bowl XLVII belongs to linebacker David Hawthorne, who was signed to a five-year, $19 million deal on April 12, 2012. Hawthorne has battled injuries for much of the season, recording just 31 tackles and a pass defensed while playing in 26.69 percent of the team's defensive snaps with just eight snaps on special teams this season. Hawthorne's contract included $8.5 million in guarantees, but according to a source with knowledge of the deal, the Saints can get out of the $4 million in partially guaranteed money in 2013 shortly after Super Bowl XLVII.
Hawthorne's $1 million base salary in 2013 is guaranteed for injury only and, like Brees' base salary, Hawthorne's salary will become fully guaranteed if he's on the roster three days after Super Bowl XLVII. The Saints can avoid that guarantee, along with a $3 million roster bonus that is due on the third day of the 2013 league year and is guaranteed for skill & injury only, by releasing Hawthorne for cap purposes. Releasing Hawthorne would only save $1.72 million in cap space, but would free up $4 million in cash, which will be helpful when attempting to retain players like Bushrod, Ellis, De La Puente, or possibly working towards an extension for tight end Jimmy Graham.
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