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re: Steve Kerr: The Case for the 20-Year-Old Age Limit in the NBA
Posted on 5/8/12 at 11:30 am to HT713
Posted on 5/8/12 at 11:30 am to HT713
It's extremely clear that most people in this thread didn't read the actual article. Kerr's main argument is it makes business sense for the NBA to raise the age limit not that it's fair
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Posted on 5/8/12 at 12:01 pm to Truculent Typist
See Jonathon Bender as a prime example of why the NBA needs an age rule. I think it needs to be like the NFL. You have to be 3 years out of high school.
Jonathon Bender was drafted 4th overall by the Pacers out of Picayune, MS. He committed to Miss. St. prior to that, but then went in the draft. He was 7'0" and could drain 3's and dunk from the free throw line. He was insanely talented. But, he never played much. He could not develop while sitting on the bench. He needed game experience. Plus, the demands of being in the NBA took a toll on him. After showing some promise, he got hurt over and over again and was out of the league a few years later.
The only guys to really make it were Kobe, Garnett, and Tracy McGrady, and McGrady is done at age 32 as is Jermaine O'Neal. Guys who go to college for a couple of years are much more successful in the NBA.
The One-and-Done is good for the NBA because it weeds out guys who look good against high school competition, but then can' handle constant play against better talent.
I think it needs to be 3 years across the board.
Jonathon Bender was drafted 4th overall by the Pacers out of Picayune, MS. He committed to Miss. St. prior to that, but then went in the draft. He was 7'0" and could drain 3's and dunk from the free throw line. He was insanely talented. But, he never played much. He could not develop while sitting on the bench. He needed game experience. Plus, the demands of being in the NBA took a toll on him. After showing some promise, he got hurt over and over again and was out of the league a few years later.
The only guys to really make it were Kobe, Garnett, and Tracy McGrady, and McGrady is done at age 32 as is Jermaine O'Neal. Guys who go to college for a couple of years are much more successful in the NBA.
The One-and-Done is good for the NBA because it weeds out guys who look good against high school competition, but then can' handle constant play against better talent.
I think it needs to be 3 years across the board.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 12:03 pm to AlaTiger
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See Jonathon Bender as a prime example of why the NBA needs an age rule. I think it needs to be like the NFL. You have to be 3 years out of high school.
Jonathon Bender was drafted 4th overall by the Pacers out of Picayune, MS. He committed to Miss. St. prior to that, but then went in the draft. He was 7'0" and could drain 3's and dunk from the free throw line. He was insanely talented. But, he never played much. He could not develop while sitting on the bench. He needed game experience. Plus, the demands of being in the NBA took a toll on him. After showing some promise, he got hurt over and over again and was out of the league a few years later.
As opposed to maybe getting injured in college and never playing in the NBA?
Posted on 5/8/12 at 12:10 pm to AlaTiger
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See Jonathon Bender as a prime example of why the NBA needs an age rule.
a guy that got hurt? that's the primary reason he didn't pan out, and injuries can happen to anyone.
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The only guys to really make it were Kobe, Garnett, and Tracy McGrady
what? lol. what about Lebron, Dwight, Josh Smith, JR Smith, etc.
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Guys who go to college for a couple of years are much more successful in the NBA.
define successful. everybody won't be a superstar, or even an all star. that doesn't mean they aren't successes in the NBA. same with guys who go to college.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 12:13 pm to ATLTiger
Lebron is another example as is Howard, of course. Really, I was talking about long-term success when I said "made it."
But, there are far more busts that we never hear from. Being able to name a few guys kind of proves the point. Having them go to college weeds them out.
But, there are far more busts that we never hear from. Being able to name a few guys kind of proves the point. Having them go to college weeds them out.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 12:18 pm to AlaTiger
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But, there are far more busts that we never hear from.
ok, list em. cause I can go on with HS guys who made it to their 2nd contracts, if we wanna use that as a gauge of "long term success". I'm pretty sure the percentage is in line with guys who went to college, if not better.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 12:20 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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As opposed to maybe getting injured in college and never playing in the NBA?
Of all the noteworthy players in college basketball in the last 10 yrs, how many careers were sidelined due to injury?
Posted on 5/8/12 at 12:25 pm to BIGDAB
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Of all the noteworthy players in college basketball in the last 10 yrs, how many careers were sidelined due to injury?
Didn't he basically have chronic injuries by his 3rd or 4th year in the league? What makes you think those injuries would of happened in college as well.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 12:27 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Didn't he basically have chronic injuries by his 3rd or 4th year in the league? What makes you think those injuries would of happened in college as well.
who is he?
Posted on 5/8/12 at 12:36 pm to Pilot Tiger
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if you're going to use that argument, you're going to have to argue at abolishing league drafts, unions, etc since all of those things are anti capitalism too
I didn't read all 4 pages, but this isn't entirely true.
Sure, the NBA itself isn't a free market for talent since teams get a draft position, etc.
BUT, in a free market for basketball in general a player doesn't HAVE to enter the NBA system, and could put his talents into a competing league that maybe has pure free agency.
The NBA having a more restricted system competing against other leagues is a prime example of free market competition on ideas.
Just making that note.
This post was edited on 5/8/12 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 5/8/12 at 5:29 pm to AlaTiger
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Guys who go to college for a couple of years are much more successful in the NBA.
Based on what? The only way this would be true is due to a larger sample size of players who went to college rather than making the jump straight from high school. But some of the most successful stars in the game right now went straight from high school to the pros (Kobe, LeBron, Dwight). We can probably come up with a fairly large list of players who played 3 or 4 years of college who didn't last very long in the league.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 6:15 pm to TexasTiger6777
Jim Brown said it best on OTL when asked about the difference between athletes from his generation and athletes today.
"Well first, we were educated."
Even if your forced to go to college for 3 years, you still have to get a 2.0 to play. Youre gonna learn a thing or strictly off osmosis
"Well first, we were educated."
Even if your forced to go to college for 3 years, you still have to get a 2.0 to play. Youre gonna learn a thing or strictly off osmosis
Posted on 5/8/12 at 6:16 pm to StrongSafety
There doesnt need to be an age limit-- there needs to be an X amount of years removed from high school issue.
It is ALOT to ask a young man to turn instantly into a man, without the benefits of the pits and valleys you can experience in college or not the a professional setting. Mistakes dont cut it in the real world. Why should an employer have to spend extra $ to develop a player when their RESUME said they had the skill set coming in? Thats a wasted investment and a waste of capital.
Ill use a football example with a mix of basketball. Mark Sanchez was arrested for sexual assault as a freshman. He had to go thru that ordeal until he was cleared of those charges. Imagine him turning pro after high school and that happening while he was the starting QB for the NEW YORK JEts. I dont think any young man would make it out of that situation alive. Now the JETs would have to invest their time and money into maturating a kid mentally when they are really only paid to develop him physically. Everything else is icing on the cake.
You can take your lumps and bumps in college..because its expected and because its the last time you will be able to. When your bumps and falls start potentially effecting the green mightie dollar and others (teammates) ability to perform (their jobs) its getting out of line.
Plus CBB would make soo much money off their brand. SO much. Players would be more educated and make better life choices, and it would have overall better effect on the league long term. cant argue against that.
It is ALOT to ask a young man to turn instantly into a man, without the benefits of the pits and valleys you can experience in college or not the a professional setting. Mistakes dont cut it in the real world. Why should an employer have to spend extra $ to develop a player when their RESUME said they had the skill set coming in? Thats a wasted investment and a waste of capital.
Ill use a football example with a mix of basketball. Mark Sanchez was arrested for sexual assault as a freshman. He had to go thru that ordeal until he was cleared of those charges. Imagine him turning pro after high school and that happening while he was the starting QB for the NEW YORK JEts. I dont think any young man would make it out of that situation alive. Now the JETs would have to invest their time and money into maturating a kid mentally when they are really only paid to develop him physically. Everything else is icing on the cake.
You can take your lumps and bumps in college..because its expected and because its the last time you will be able to. When your bumps and falls start potentially effecting the green mightie dollar and others (teammates) ability to perform (their jobs) its getting out of line.
Plus CBB would make soo much money off their brand. SO much. Players would be more educated and make better life choices, and it would have overall better effect on the league long term. cant argue against that.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 6:18 pm to BIGDAB
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Of all the noteworthy players in college basketball in the last 10 yrs, how many careers were sidelined due to injury?
Greg Oden
Posted on 5/8/12 at 6:19 pm to AlaTiger
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Lebron is another example as is Howard, of course. Really, I was talking about long-term success when I said "made it."
But, there are far more busts that we never hear from. Being able to name a few guys kind of proves the point. Having them go to college weeds them out.
I'd rather take the chance instead of making guys like LeBron, Durant, Bryant, etc. waste three years in college.
Three years works in football because high school players aren't big enough. There is no good reason to make basketball players who could start playing professionally at age 18/19 wait just because Mark Cuban is afraid of drafting a bust. LeBron James has no business pretending to take classes and playing for room and board for 3 years just so some college can sell some more merchandise.
This post was edited on 5/8/12 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 5/8/12 at 6:25 pm to Truculent Typist
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That level of immaturity naturally leads to growing pains; it's why so many young players struggle for a season or two as they adjust to the workload, schedule, travel, stress, and media scrutiny, and especially, with seemingly basic off-the-court stuff like managing money, paying bills, and dealing with pressures from their extended family
how is college going to help with most of that?
and will college do a better job of this over that "season or two"?
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that lack of life experience and the backbone of a college education hampers many players' ability to handle adversity and/or make difficult decisions. (See Howard, Dwight.)
absolutely ridiculous statement
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Other than lost salaries, what would have been the downside of those last four guys playing two years in college?
he's really asking what the downside would be for a guy like lebron or garnett to go to college? is he retarded?
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You're telling me two years of leading elite NCAA teams wouldn't have been a better basketball/life/social/teamwork experience for those four guys?
it would be, almost certainly, 2 years of inferior coaching in a completely different kind of game
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In the old days, college basketball was the NBA's single best marketing tool. Nearly all of the league's future stars were well known by the time they were drafted
this is pretty much the reason why they adopted the 1 year rule. 1 year is all they need for the superstars
everyone knew who durant and derrick rose were when they came out
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How often does that happen today? Even if Washington fans were excited to draft John Wall two years ago, and Cleveland fans were ecstatic about picking Kyrie Irving last year, none of them were actually thinking, We're back! Look out, playoffs!
what about the team who drafted oden/durant, rose, and lebron? you can't pick weak years and say "SEE!?!?!"
plenty of years were weak under the old system
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I believe the foundation and guidance Smith provided ended up being a big reason for Jordan evolving into the greatest player ever. In fact, Michael even admits this, saying many times that Coach Smith was one of the biggest influences in his life.
why does this phenomenon have to only occur with college coaches?
Posted on 5/8/12 at 6:30 pm to GeauxAggie972
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almost all of those from about 1999 on down would have benefited from at least a year in college.
based on what?
in what way would they have benefited?
Posted on 5/8/12 at 6:31 pm to Sophandros
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I simply believe that from an ethical perspective (and Kerr seems to be trying to play to that...), an academy system is superior to the current model.
i think hype/marketing would be a problem with academies in 'Murka
Posted on 5/8/12 at 6:31 pm to ProjectP2294
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They have not matured mentally past high school. A year or two in college would definitely have helped in that department
how?
Posted on 5/8/12 at 6:34 pm to ohiovol
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Three years works in football because high school players aren't big enough. There is no good reason to make basketball players who could start playing professionally at age 18/19 wait just because Mark Cuban is afraid of drafting a bust. LeBron James has no business pretending to take classes and playing for room and board for 3 years just so some college can sell some more merchandise.
I think there are some CFB freshmen and sophomores that could play in the NFL. More than we think could. AP could have played out of high school
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