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re: Sports strategies that you would like to see someone try just once
Posted on 11/13/17 at 5:40 pm to Jcorye1
Posted on 11/13/17 at 5:40 pm to Jcorye1
This scenario happens at least a few times a year:
Team up 3
1-2 minutes left
Ball around the 20-30 yard line
4th and 10 or less
A first down allows you to run out the clock
STOP KICKING THE frickING FIELD GOAL! HAVE SOME BALLS! Everybody opts for the FG and they lose. It happened to LSU years ago against Arkansas.
Here are your options in that situation:
1. Make the FG. Now you're up 6. You deliberately take the GWFG out of play and force the offense to be aggressive and play for the TD. You are maximizing your chances of losing, even if it is on a fluke play or blown coverage.
2. Miss the FG. You're still up 3. Your opponent 9 times out of 10 will go conservative and play for the tie. Your most likely end results will be a change of possession resulting in a win, a missed FG resulting in a win, or a FG resulting in overtime (but you don't lose). I get that sometimes you screw up on defense and give up the TD and lose (see LSU/Alabama a few years ago), but that's the least likely outcome.
3. Go for it on 4th down and fail. Same outcomes as scenario 2.
4. Go for it on 4th down and convert. YOU WIN. GAME OVER.
The option here is obvious. Going for it will most likely result in not losing on a crazy, last-minute TD. And it's the only outcome where you don't have to sweat out a win because you never give the ball up in the first place.
This makes so much sense to me and literally nobody tries it.
Team up 3
1-2 minutes left
Ball around the 20-30 yard line
4th and 10 or less
A first down allows you to run out the clock
STOP KICKING THE frickING FIELD GOAL! HAVE SOME BALLS! Everybody opts for the FG and they lose. It happened to LSU years ago against Arkansas.
Here are your options in that situation:
1. Make the FG. Now you're up 6. You deliberately take the GWFG out of play and force the offense to be aggressive and play for the TD. You are maximizing your chances of losing, even if it is on a fluke play or blown coverage.
2. Miss the FG. You're still up 3. Your opponent 9 times out of 10 will go conservative and play for the tie. Your most likely end results will be a change of possession resulting in a win, a missed FG resulting in a win, or a FG resulting in overtime (but you don't lose). I get that sometimes you screw up on defense and give up the TD and lose (see LSU/Alabama a few years ago), but that's the least likely outcome.
3. Go for it on 4th down and fail. Same outcomes as scenario 2.
4. Go for it on 4th down and convert. YOU WIN. GAME OVER.
The option here is obvious. Going for it will most likely result in not losing on a crazy, last-minute TD. And it's the only outcome where you don't have to sweat out a win because you never give the ball up in the first place.
This makes so much sense to me and literally nobody tries it.
This post was edited on 11/13/17 at 5:48 pm
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Posted on 11/13/17 at 5:46 pm to saderade
quote:
Obviously this would not work in NFL due to the 53 man roster restriction.
Teams will have 9 DBs active sometimes for various scenarios. One of them is bound to never play. Just put him in one of those spots. If you're hard up for DBs, just put a WR out there on defense.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 5:47 pm to ctiger69
Teams that are down 9 to 11 points in the 4th quarter with 1:30 left should kick the field goal first, then onside and hope you get it. You'll have to onside kick regardless of a TD or FG.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 5:53 pm to kciDAtaE
THAts not similar, that’s the exact situation I’m talking about
Posted on 11/13/17 at 6:03 pm to saderade
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In college football, have a tall walk on basketball player type with a large vertical leap (former LSU basketball player Chris Johnson who is 6’11 comes to mind) come on to the field only to block extra points and field goals. Even if you can’t block every kick, it would greatly affect the psyche of the kicker. Obviously this would not work in NFL due to the 53 man roster restriction.
We had a 7’2 sophomore at my high school when I was a senior. They lined him up on field goal blocks right in front of the center and told him to wave his arms really high in the air. He had zero athletic ability so he wasn’t going to actually jump up and block it.
This one kicker looked at him and then looked at his coach and yelled loud and clear, “What the frick do I do?”
His coach told him to kick the field goal.
He nailed our 7’2 monster right in the face mask.
This post was edited on 11/13/17 at 6:04 pm
Posted on 11/13/17 at 6:16 pm to ctiger69
There have been studies on teams that never punt. Works in your favor more than you'd guess.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 6:25 pm to jimbeam
We already saw the Chiefs do it this year. Instead of the Hail Mary throw the super screen. That screen play they tan that was farther down field concentrated on one side of the field with a convoy of blockers lined up in a sort of wedge. Really worked well as the convoy and ball met the defenders at about the ten yard line and I'll take a return man type with a wall of blockers to get an easy 10 yards.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 6:43 pm to ctiger69
A few football scenarios. If you are up 7 go for 2 to make it a 9 point game.
If you are on D late in a game down 1 and it's a must stop situation where the clock might run out since teams don't do the previous idea just let them score.
I also think teams should try surprise onside kicks (especially Clemson Bama part 1) more often.
If you are facing a 4 and really long backed up late in a game down 4 then you should take a safety and onside. It helps field position and 7 still wins. (Example 1 minute 0 TOs 4th and 17 on your own 4)
I hate college overtime and would always play to win in regulation if it cones down to going for 2.
If you are on D late in a game down 1 and it's a must stop situation where the clock might run out since teams don't do the previous idea just let them score.
I also think teams should try surprise onside kicks (especially Clemson Bama part 1) more often.
If you are facing a 4 and really long backed up late in a game down 4 then you should take a safety and onside. It helps field position and 7 still wins. (Example 1 minute 0 TOs 4th and 17 on your own 4)
I hate college overtime and would always play to win in regulation if it cones down to going for 2.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 6:45 pm to ctiger69
Also I always thought teams should try more plays like the Tyreek Hill end of half vs Dallas TD than hail Mary attempts in those situations.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 6:48 pm to rolltide32
I agree. Throw it short to your playmaker in space and try to get some blocks. Seems more likely to score that way than just chunking it into a crowd of defenders.
This post was edited on 11/13/17 at 6:49 pm
Posted on 11/13/17 at 6:49 pm to rolltide32
Agreed
Teams also don't foul up 3 with 4 seconds left when in the penalty nearly enough
Teams also don't foul up 3 with 4 seconds left when in the penalty nearly enough
This post was edited on 11/13/17 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 11/13/17 at 6:58 pm to cuyahoga tiger
quote:
I would put a really big,fat dude, like 5'5" 500 pound fat, and park his arse in front of the hockey goal. Lose the stick and put those first basemen mit like things they wear on both hands and hold them by your ears to close the only open space to the goal.
This is the best post in this thread
Posted on 11/13/17 at 6:58 pm to StealthCalais11
QBs should punt more often
Posted on 11/13/17 at 7:01 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:I know there are many factors, exactly how much time, timeouts left for the offense, how good the QB is.
It would be better suited if there are like 15-20 seconds left and the team is on the 10 yard line, when you are up 7.
But generally speaking as a defense I'd probably prefer taking my chances with 3-4 shots from the 10 yard line as opposed to 1 untimed down from the 1 yard line.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 7:07 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
quote:Word. About the only times I see it making sense is at the 2 yardline or in before 4th down, or maybe doing it once only if a team is 50+ or so yards away from the endzone needing a TD.
Yeah so don’t do it then
It’s not rocket science, there are opportunities to do this all the time and no one ever does
Posted on 11/13/17 at 7:13 pm to ctiger69
I have always thought teams should go for it much more than they already do.
If you are above at least your own 35 yardline. And it is 4th and 4 or less. You should be going for it every single time. It kills me when I see a team have great momentum on their drive. Only to come to 4th and 3 on like the 50. Then the team elects to punt. I believe all it would take is 1 coach who has the tenure and pull with the athletic department, to give this a shot.
I wouldn't mind seeing teams go for 2 more often as well. More teams should do surprising onside kicks as well. They can be a HUGE game changer. Even if there is a 33% chance of recovering the ball. Those odds definitely make the risk worth it.
If you are above at least your own 35 yardline. And it is 4th and 4 or less. You should be going for it every single time. It kills me when I see a team have great momentum on their drive. Only to come to 4th and 3 on like the 50. Then the team elects to punt. I believe all it would take is 1 coach who has the tenure and pull with the athletic department, to give this a shot.
I wouldn't mind seeing teams go for 2 more often as well. More teams should do surprising onside kicks as well. They can be a HUGE game changer. Even if there is a 33% chance of recovering the ball. Those odds definitely make the risk worth it.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 7:17 pm to Mr. Hangover
quote:Yea, my buddy and I text each other every single time we see a 3rd/4th and short QB sneak out of jumbo, or even the HB dive up the middle.
Fourth and one.. come out with four wide outs and a RB so it forces the defense to come out in nothing heavier than nickle.. line up in shotgun, fake a few audibles/hot routes, QB creeps up behind center, snap, QB sneak for a first down, then frick the captain of the cheerleading team after the game
Why would you not spread that out with 4 WRs every single time, makes no sense to me.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 7:20 pm to ctiger69
Fake knee on a touchback and take it to the house.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 7:20 pm to BobLeeDagger
quote:Why? This one never made sense to me either.
Teams that are down 9 to 11 points in the 4th quarter with 1:30 left should kick the field goal first, then onside and hope you get it. You'll have to onside kick regardless of a TD or FG.
Sure, you score earlier, but what's the difference? You have more time left but also need a TD, which isn't really different than less time left and needing a field goal.
If you're driving, why would you not try to finish off the drive with a score ?
Posted on 11/13/17 at 7:22 pm to shel311
I don't like when teams down 10 points kick a FG from inside the 15. This is probably the closest they're going to get to the end zone. Go for the TD now and worry about the FG after.
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