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re: So how do you feel about Kam Chancellor's holdout?
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:33 pm to shel311
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:33 pm to shel311
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I'm impressed that you are smarter than Kam's agent and every other agent who has had a player holdout.
3 years remaining. This is going to be a net loss decision for Chancellor. You realize that don't you?
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Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:34 pm to wildtigercat93
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I'll hold players accountable for their contracts whenever the league is held accountable for their contracts
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:34 pm to TeddyPadillac
Players are getting more fake guarantees too. Roster bonuses are only available if you are actually on the roster.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I'll hold players accountable for their contracts whenever the league is held accountable for their contracts
Unbelievable.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:35 pm to moneyg
quote:So Kam and his agent huddled up, determined they're going to lose by doing this, and decided it was a good play?
3 years remaining. This is going to be a net loss decision for Chancellor. You realize that don't you?
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:37 pm to shel311
Why is that so hard to believe? It's the same group that huddled up last year, said this would be a good contract, and now apparently think they were wrong...
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:38 pm to moneyg
quote:Sounds like you're talking about the restructures that happen often, those benefit both sides. Think Tom Brady
Players can hold out. We've seen it over and over. But, so many fans don't understand what is going on. The deals the players end up signing after a hold out generally benefit BOTH parties
Lots of holdouts are for guys who simply want more guaranteed money, and some get much bigger deals that don't benefit the team financially. Think Chris Johnson
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:38 pm to shel311
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So Kam and his agent huddled up, determined they're going to lose by doing this, and decided it was a good play?
It's personal. Kam is going to end up taking a nominally better offer (restructured deal, with money moved forward). If he doesn't do it soon, he's going to lose a lot of money.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:39 pm to JG77056
quote:Why is it hard to believe Kam and his agent thought they'd lose if they held and decided to hold out? Is that the question?
Why is that so hard to believe?
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:39 pm to Rand AlThor
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I expect he will get a new deal this week.
The Seahwaks could go 0-16 and he isn't going to get a new deal. They can't set that precedent. Then every single player is going to want more money. Sucks for Kam but I don't feel too bad for him with him being super rich already and all.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:41 pm to moneyg
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The contract was priced the way it was because of the fact that contracts aren't guaranteed.
His was for the first 3 years (2013-2015). He signed a 4 year extension for $28M w/ a $5M signing bonus. By holding out, he is essentially saying that he wanted a 2 year deal for $12.5M
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:42 pm to shel311
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Lots of holdouts are for guys who simply want more guaranteed money, and some get much bigger deals that don't benefit the team financially. Think Chris Johnson
Exactly. That worked out terrible for the Titans so why should other teams follow suit.
You picked possibly the worst example for your argument that you could.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:43 pm to shel311
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Why is it hard to believe Kam and his agent thought they'd lose if they held and decided to hold out? Is that the question?
That wasn't exactly your initial point.
You were pretty telling him that they're not dumb, they know what they're doing (they being Kam and his agent),and he's pointing to them signing this stupid contract last year to tell you they're not exactly great decision makers.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:44 pm to JG77056
quote:How is it a bad example?
Exactly. That worked out terrible for the Titans so why should other teams follow suit.
You picked possibly the worst example for your argument that you could.
I've never said what the Seahawks should or shouldn't do. It was never about that, how the CJ contract worked out is irrelevant to my point.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:46 pm to shel311
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Why is it hard to believe Kam and his agent thought they'd lose if they held and decided to hold out? Is that the question?
Yes, that is the question. We're talking about a group of people that just one year ago signed such an abysmal contract that just one year in the future they've already performed to a standard requiring a new contract. So with a team this inept, why is that so hard to believe?
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:48 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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I'm not really ever gonna get mad about a player trying to get his. Too many teams completely disregard player contracts all the time.
Yeah, but it isn't like he is on his rookie deal or some bullshite.
His 2015 average salary is 8th in the league for safeties, and 2nd for strong safeties. He is only behind Reshad Jones, and they both signed $28M/4yr deals in 2013.
Chancellor could have waited until he hit free agency in 2014, but he opted to extend his contract and get the guaranteed money he wanted. Both the Seahawks and Chancellor were taking a chance on the contract, but now Chancellor wants to punish the Seahawks becuase he and his agent fricked up. I'm sorry, but I've got little sympathy for the 2nd highest paid SS in the league making over $7M this year.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 1:04 pm to slackster
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His 2015 average salary is 8th in the league for safeties, and 2nd for strong safeties. He is only behind Reshad Jones, and they both signed $28M/4yr deals in 2013.
This is what I was coming to say. I don't see that he's outperforming his contract to the level that would merit this. It was a pretty fricking big contract at the time and IMO is still commensurate with his level of performance. And I think he's a great player (although I think ET III is the real stud in that backfield).
It just strikes me as an odd move at this point.
On the flip side, guys like Chris Culliver hit FA and make $8m a year, that's a guy who isn't necessarily one of the top 20 CBs in the league.
But yeah, this is the wrong time to be holding out, I wonder if there's more to it, like he's hurt or something going on the background that's the real reason for this.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 1:18 pm to shel311
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Lots of holdouts are for guys who simply want more guaranteed money, and some get much bigger deals that don't benefit the team financially. Think Chris Johnson
The team benefits in some way. It might benefit by not having an important player enter free agency in the following year. But, make no mistake the team is benefitting.
There is no risk of that right now in this case. Chancellor has 3 more years. The team will benefit very little if at all.
Listen, maybe Seattle will cave and decide that they just can't go on without Chancellor. I don't think that will happen, but I guess there is a small chance. My opinion is that Chancellor will take a restructure just to save face. I don't think he'll be much more money if any.
This post was edited on 9/14/15 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 9/14/15 at 1:20 pm to moneyg
here is my 2 cents. The most overrated game manager in all of football just got a huge contract. Wilson is a winner but not anywhere near top 5 or 10 qb for that matter. That contract killed the Seahawks locker room and people who actually helped the team win want to be paid.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 1:24 pm to Statsattack
Well that's dumb, because all things considered his deal was team friendly.
That's the going rate of QBs these days, no way around it and if you were the GM, you'd have paid him too.
That's the going rate of QBs these days, no way around it and if you were the GM, you'd have paid him too.
This post was edited on 9/14/15 at 1:25 pm
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