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re: So how do you feel about Kam Chancellor's holdout?
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:04 pm to TDawg1313
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:04 pm to TDawg1313
quote:Sure, but it's no guarantee.
If Seattle stands firm, there's a much greater chance that players don't try to hold out in the future. If they give in, they're going to have to deal with this a whole lot more
And don't be surprised when they use this as a bargaining chip to try and get even more money out of Seattle. It may work now, but it'll have costs on the backend, no doubt about it IMO.
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Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:04 pm to shel311
Chancellor signed a 4 year deal worth 28 million, with only 7 million gauranteed, which he got after 1 year with his $5 million signing bonus and $2 million salary.
he should have negotiated a better guaranteed deal.
Jairus Byrd signed a 6 year $54 million with $26 million guaranteed.
Sherman has 40 of his $56 million guaranteed
Earl Thomas has 25 of his $40 million guaranteed
Michael Bennett got 16 of his $28 million guaranteed
Chancellor's agent sucks arse is what this amounts to, and he should rejoin the team and honor the dumb contract he agreed to.
NFL players are getting more and more guaranteed on their contracts now a days, so the argument that the NFL doesn't honor contracts is a dumb one.
he should have negotiated a better guaranteed deal.
Jairus Byrd signed a 6 year $54 million with $26 million guaranteed.
Sherman has 40 of his $56 million guaranteed
Earl Thomas has 25 of his $40 million guaranteed
Michael Bennett got 16 of his $28 million guaranteed
Chancellor's agent sucks arse is what this amounts to, and he should rejoin the team and honor the dumb contract he agreed to.
NFL players are getting more and more guaranteed on their contracts now a days, so the argument that the NFL doesn't honor contracts is a dumb one.
This post was edited on 9/14/15 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:05 pm to shel311
quote:
m 99% sure the "apples to T-bone steaks" comment was saying exactly that.
I'm 99% sure he was saying it's not even like comparing apples and oranges because they're both fruits and at least somewhat similar. At least that's what it's meant every other time I've heard the expression.
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Even if there's a long list of guys who have doubled and tripled their salaries doing the same thing?
Where is this long list of players renegotiating a year into a 4 year deal?
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:05 pm to St Augustine
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I don't blame either side. It is what it is. Seahawks don't want to be held each time they work out a palatable contract for their organization and cam wants to be paid like the elite player he is.
Exactly
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:06 pm to JG77056
quote:Right...and he said it in regards to me comparing a random person's job to a football player. Considering I gave the same parameters, I can only assume the difference to him was the salary amount.
I'm 99% sure he was saying it's not even like comparing apples and oranges because they're both fruits and at least somewhat similar. At least that's what it's meant every other time I've heard the expression.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:07 pm to TDawg1313
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If Seattle stands firm, there's a much greater chance that players don't try to hold out in the future. If they give in, they're going to have to deal with this a whole lot more.
Not necessarily. Only special players have that kind of pull, and it's a rarity.
And, if Seattle stands firm (which they probably will), they may lose two or three more games.
Everything has a price
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:09 pm to SabiDojo
quote:Exactly. Kam is betting on the cost to Seattle to not having him being too much, and IMO there's nothing wrong with that on his end.
Not necessarily. Only special players have that kind of pull, and it's a rarity.
And, if Seattle stands firm (which they probably will), they may lose two or three more games.
Everything has a price
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:11 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Chancellor's agent sucks arse is what this amounts to, and he should rejoin the team and honor the dumb contract he agreed to
Yet teams can get out of "dumb contracts" anytime they want.
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NFL players are getting more and more guaranteed on their contracts now a days, so the argument that the NFL doesn't honor contracts is a dumb one.
Completely and totally irrelevant. That is a function of revenue and has no bearing on one honoring a contract or not. If you only wanted to honor the signing bonus, then they should term the contracts as such.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:12 pm to shel311
Well you gave parameters that seemed the same but cannot actually be compared. Like the parameter of being able to not show up to a job and expecting to get more money. That doesn't happen in the real world. That's why it's like comparing apples and a Tbone steak.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:12 pm to SabiDojo
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Not necessarily. Only special players have that kind of pull, and it's a rarity.
Michael Bennett was on the verge of holding out 1 year into his 4 year deal. I guarantee he would be on the door step of the front office if they give Chancellor more money.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:13 pm to JG77056
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When has the league ever not honored a contract?
You're right. No team in the NFL has ever cut a player and paid them the remaining money left on the contract. They always cut them and a check the same day.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:14 pm to MSMHater
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Yet teams can get out of "dumb contracts" anytime they want.
No they can't. They have to honor the contract every time. The contract just happens to state that a team can re-evaluate a player's employment at the end of each year. Teams have never started paying a guy less just because they don't feel like he's performing well.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:15 pm to JG77056
quote:So...circling back to my original point, it's an easy stance to take when it's not your money or your decision.
Well you gave parameters that seemed the same but cannot actually be compared. Like the parameter of being able to not show up to a job and expecting to get more money. That doesn't happen in the real world. That's why it's like comparing apples and a Tbone steak.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:16 pm to Kracka
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You're right. No team in the NFL has ever cut a player and paid them the remaining money left on the contract. They always cut them and a check the same day.
That's because the contract says they can do that. After they exercise that option the contract ceases to have money left on it...you know what it means to honor a contract right?
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:23 pm to shel311
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Do you say this every time a team cuts a guy for not living up to a contract?
This is such an idiotic statement.
Even though you don't get it, both parties understand that part of the contract is guaranteed...and the other part is not.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:25 pm to shel311
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It's not.
People seem to think just because you make a lot of money, guys shouldn't feel the need to deserve their market value.
You want to be paid what you're worth, doesn't matter if you're making $50K a year or $50mil a year.
Chancellor could have signed a 1 year contract and guaranteed that he'd get market value every year.
He didn't want that. He wanted more security.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:26 pm to moneyg
That was going to be my next point. If a player wants to be paid on his performance for each season just sign a one year deal.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:28 pm to Kracka
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You're right. No team in the NFL has ever cut a player and paid them the remaining money left on the contract
There are so many people in this very thread who aren't smart enough to understand what a contract is.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:29 pm to moneyg
quote:I'm impressed that you are smarter than Kam's agent and every other agent who has had a player holdout.
There are so many people in this very thread who aren't smart enough to understand what a contract is.
Well done, Jerry.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:32 pm to JG77056
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That was going to be my next point. If a player wants to be paid on his performance for each season just sign a one year deal.
Absolutely.
Players can hold out. We've seen it over and over. But, so many fans don't understand what is going on. The deals the players end up signing after a hold out generally benefit BOTH parties.
The team will get a little bit of a discount and/or don't have the risk of the player that they presumably want on their team hitting free agency.
That's not the case here. Seattle would get nothing out of renegotiating. Seattle might consider moving some of the money on the contract to guaranteed money just to alleviate some cap issues while pacifying Chancellor. But, they aren't going to give him substantially more money when he has 3 years remaining. They aren't stupid.
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