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re: Simone Biles with triumphant return to gymnastics after chickening out of Olympics
Posted on 8/6/23 at 4:19 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 8/6/23 at 4:19 pm to RollTide1987
Mental health
Posted on 8/6/23 at 4:20 pm to Tiger1242
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mental health issues

Posted on 8/6/23 at 4:30 pm to Tiger1242
Quitting = mental health issues 

Posted on 8/6/23 at 4:30 pm to SoFla Tideroller
I’m genuinely curious. Why do so many people dismiss the notion of mental health issues in this case?
Yes it’s been a hot topic recently as more and more athletes say they have them, but they’ve been happening forever they just weren’t talked about. You think hiring someone to break your opponents knees isn’t mental health issues? You think McEnroe going ape shite on a judge isn’t mental health issues?
Some of y’all are so soft, you’ve got to bash a young woman because she didn’t rise to the occasion to make yourself feel better?
Yes it’s been a hot topic recently as more and more athletes say they have them, but they’ve been happening forever they just weren’t talked about. You think hiring someone to break your opponents knees isn’t mental health issues? You think McEnroe going ape shite on a judge isn’t mental health issues?
Some of y’all are so soft, you’ve got to bash a young woman because she didn’t rise to the occasion to make yourself feel better?
Posted on 8/6/23 at 4:36 pm to TheRouxGuru
It’s an extremely easy task to look at medal counts and compare them historically. Even easier to do it against an athlete’s peers.
This requires a modicum of interest, the ability to read, and being able to comprehend basic data. not hours of analyzing gymnastics competitions from 1975 to 2022.
Or watching all Olympic sports.
Almost anyone can learn her accomplishments and compare them to current gymnasts, historical greats, and even compare across sports.
This really isn’t all that challenging.
Someone who doesn’t even know how to swim can easily conclude Phelps is the greatest swimmer of all time or that Ledecky is the greatest female swimmer of all time.
Just like a causal soccer fan can say Messi is one of the best players ever.
It isn’t about having an ego or “being retarded”.
This requires a modicum of interest, the ability to read, and being able to comprehend basic data. not hours of analyzing gymnastics competitions from 1975 to 2022.
Or watching all Olympic sports.
Almost anyone can learn her accomplishments and compare them to current gymnasts, historical greats, and even compare across sports.
This really isn’t all that challenging.
Someone who doesn’t even know how to swim can easily conclude Phelps is the greatest swimmer of all time or that Ledecky is the greatest female swimmer of all time.
Just like a causal soccer fan can say Messi is one of the best players ever.
It isn’t about having an ego or “being retarded”.
This post was edited on 8/6/23 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 8/6/23 at 4:39 pm to RollTide1987
Quitter makes return to not quitting
How noble
How noble
Posted on 8/6/23 at 4:42 pm to UltimaParadox
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Why do you guys hate Biles, she is definitely not anti American.
Agree. One of the best ever.
Shouldn't clown her over missing one Olympics.
Posted on 8/6/23 at 4:49 pm to Arthur Bach
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Didn’t she bow out from the Olympics due to the sexual assault case from Larry Nassar?
No. That case was over in 2017, he was sentenced by January 2018.
Posted on 8/6/23 at 5:06 pm to Tiger1242
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Why do so many people dismiss the notion of mental health issues in this case? Yes it’s been a hot topic recently as more and more athletes say they have them, but they’ve been happening forever they just weren’t talked about. You think hiring someone to break your opponents knees isn’t mental health issues? You think McEnroe going ape shite on a judge isn’t mental health issues?
quote:
Some of y’all are so soft

Posted on 8/6/23 at 5:08 pm to Tiger1242
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Why do so many people dismiss the notion of mental health issues in this case?
Because that wasn't what her original reason for bowing out was. She originally talked about the pressure of the moment and being in the spotlight becoming too great for her. It was only after the blowback she received from that explanation that mental health was brought up. After that we all were supposed to nod our heads and understand.
I just find that a little too convenient.
Posted on 8/6/23 at 5:14 pm to Keys Open Doors
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If she comes back next year and does in Paris what was expected in Tokyo, she may be up there the all-time US greats.
I caught some of it last night and she looked great. Some of her stunts were dialed back a little bit but that still puts her points ahead of others because of the difficulty of what she can still complete.
She looked happy and in form. And that’s a good thing for US Gymnastics.
Posted on 8/6/23 at 5:16 pm to RollTide1987
Didn't you get the memo
Any time there is anything challenging in your life you just play the mental health card and everyone has to blow you because of how brave you are.
Simple.
Double points if you wear your own gear calling yourself the greatest of all time and fail and then claim press pressure did this.
Any time there is anything challenging in your life you just play the mental health card and everyone has to blow you because of how brave you are.
Simple.
Double points if you wear your own gear calling yourself the greatest of all time and fail and then claim press pressure did this.
This post was edited on 8/6/23 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 8/6/23 at 5:18 pm to RollTide1987
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She originally talked about the pressure of the moment and being in the spotlight becoming too great for her.
You don't think that can cause mental health issues?
Posted on 8/6/23 at 5:21 pm to RollTide1987
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Simone Biles with triumphant return to gymnastics after chickening out of Olympics
It's crazy how people that hate ESPN and Steven A Smith try to imitate him with their hot takes.
Posted on 8/6/23 at 5:22 pm to Corinthians420
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It's crazy how people that hate ESPN and Steven A Smith try to imitate him with their hot takes.
Nah man, these are definitely well thought out and measured takes while Screamin A. Smith just yells at the TV.
Clay Travis told me so.
Posted on 8/6/23 at 5:24 pm to Broski
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You don't think that can cause mental health issues?
If pressure in the Olympics is a mental health issue than anything else is and it means nothing.
You are supposed to be under a frickton of mental pressure.
It's fricking sports.
What happend to 90% of the game is 100% mental shirts.
Jesus
This post was edited on 8/6/23 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 8/6/23 at 5:25 pm to Broski
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You don't think that can cause mental health issues?
You’re forgetting the part about her explicitly calling attention to herself on multiple occasions.
Posted on 8/6/23 at 5:34 pm to RollTide1987
Ok, let me set some of yous straight on some things.
1) Biles does not deserve, in any way, to be compared to the women's soccer team. There have been rumors for years that she may not be the greatest person - I have no idea if that's true. She may be an awesome person. I have no idea. But nothing indicates that she is in the same category as the America-hating soccer players.
2) Her Adderall was allowed in Tokyo. Reference the following from Insider.com, "A special arrangement is in place specifically for the Tokyo 2020 Olympic and Paralympic Games to allow athletes taking these medicines for therapeutic use, and with an approved Therapeutic Use Exemption, to import personal supplies for the treatment of their medical condition while they are in Japan," a document provided via Team USA says.
3) 'Twisties' are serious. If you don't know where you are, you can come down and kill yourself. Withdrawing as she did was a bit of a no-brainer. I understand some people say, "It's the Olympics, you have to keep going" but this would not only be dangerous, it would hurt her scores which hurts the team. Just as the competition began she did a vault and Olympic gold medalist Tim Daggett immediately said, "Uh oh...I don't think she knew where she was." She didn't even do the vault she was supposed to do. If this continued throughout the competition it would have led to a lot of scoring deductions. I wish I could find the video again, but guys like Daggett know this stuff when they see it. Other broadcasters noticed as well.
4) What might be the worst part in the whole situation is that the remaining girls delivered the most clutch performance in the history of US women's athletics, to keep going and get silver, and they don't get the credit they deserve. Biles was considered the best gymnast on the planet by a wide margin. Her scores were going to be extremely important. The Russian team was exceptional and for the remaining US girls to get silver was amazing. If they had folded and said 'forget it', no one would have blamed them. But they didn't. The Russian team was spectacular in Tokyo. They were in first after qualifying, and that was with Simone in the mix. What the US girls did was very impressive. They deserve more credit than they get.
5) After yesterday, Simone is very likely to collect a lot of medals in Paris. Team USA is stacked with talent right now. I think they could split the US into two parts and get two teams to medal in Paris.
My opinion is that the lead up to the Olympics, with people calling her the greatest of all time, put too much pressure on her and she got the gymnastics equivalent of the yips and the twisties developed. You can't be the 'goat' while still competing - it sets the bar too high and there's no way to reach those expectations. I think she should have pushed the goat stuff away, rather than putting it on her leotards, gym bags etc. That's just too much expectation and there's no way to live up to it.
1) Biles does not deserve, in any way, to be compared to the women's soccer team. There have been rumors for years that she may not be the greatest person - I have no idea if that's true. She may be an awesome person. I have no idea. But nothing indicates that she is in the same category as the America-hating soccer players.
2) Her Adderall was allowed in Tokyo. Reference the following from Insider.com, "A special arrangement is in place specifically for the Tokyo 2020 Olympic and Paralympic Games to allow athletes taking these medicines for therapeutic use, and with an approved Therapeutic Use Exemption, to import personal supplies for the treatment of their medical condition while they are in Japan," a document provided via Team USA says.
3) 'Twisties' are serious. If you don't know where you are, you can come down and kill yourself. Withdrawing as she did was a bit of a no-brainer. I understand some people say, "It's the Olympics, you have to keep going" but this would not only be dangerous, it would hurt her scores which hurts the team. Just as the competition began she did a vault and Olympic gold medalist Tim Daggett immediately said, "Uh oh...I don't think she knew where she was." She didn't even do the vault she was supposed to do. If this continued throughout the competition it would have led to a lot of scoring deductions. I wish I could find the video again, but guys like Daggett know this stuff when they see it. Other broadcasters noticed as well.
4) What might be the worst part in the whole situation is that the remaining girls delivered the most clutch performance in the history of US women's athletics, to keep going and get silver, and they don't get the credit they deserve. Biles was considered the best gymnast on the planet by a wide margin. Her scores were going to be extremely important. The Russian team was exceptional and for the remaining US girls to get silver was amazing. If they had folded and said 'forget it', no one would have blamed them. But they didn't. The Russian team was spectacular in Tokyo. They were in first after qualifying, and that was with Simone in the mix. What the US girls did was very impressive. They deserve more credit than they get.
5) After yesterday, Simone is very likely to collect a lot of medals in Paris. Team USA is stacked with talent right now. I think they could split the US into two parts and get two teams to medal in Paris.
My opinion is that the lead up to the Olympics, with people calling her the greatest of all time, put too much pressure on her and she got the gymnastics equivalent of the yips and the twisties developed. You can't be the 'goat' while still competing - it sets the bar too high and there's no way to reach those expectations. I think she should have pushed the goat stuff away, rather than putting it on her leotards, gym bags etc. That's just too much expectation and there's no way to live up to it.
Posted on 8/6/23 at 5:55 pm to RollTide1987
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After that we all were supposed to nod our heads and understand.
I think this is the disconnect for me.
You can accept that she had some kind of mental health issue that prevented her from competing without nodding your heads, understanding, and saying oh that doesn’t impact my opinion of you in anyway.
There is a middle ground
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