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Posted on 7/13/08 at 7:43 pm to Lester Earl
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So you are quoting their AVG with 2 outs and RISP
that's as "clutch" as it gets right? or are we only talking WS game 7 ab's with a full count and base loaded down by 3 AB's? David eckstein rules if that's the case. Didn't he like hit a 8 run HR or something
Posted on 7/13/08 at 7:44 pm to LfcSU3520
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anybody with the same BAwRISP and a similar OPS then yeah. He's hitting great this year. That doesn't mean anyone can fill in and do it.
It has nothing to do with him "turning it on" with runners on base and his average climbing nearly 30 points?
Adam Dunn would prob have 60 RBIs in the same spot.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 7:45 pm to Lester Earl
How can you turn it on in an AB? This isn't basketball. You can't turn it on.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 7:45 pm to Lester Earl
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So you are quoting their AVG with 2 outs and RISP?
you can hear an announcer or analyst use this sitauation as a measuring stick almost everyday.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 7:46 pm to TigerPhan27
anyway if this is still going on tomorrow i'll get back in. Good talk. Anyway this to me is what makes baseball great, you can look at the numbers and take them however you want. If the numbers you like make you happy then so be it. 
Posted on 7/13/08 at 7:47 pm to TigerPhan27
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and who votes for the mvp?
and what stupid tired stats do they use?
we're getting somewhere now.
Hanley Ramriez had the best year last year, guess he wasn't good at BARISP or clutchiness
Well, you come up with the criteria then,
Ramirez had the best year?
actually had his BA RISP not dropped 25 points from his original AVG, he prob would have knocked in 100+ runs from the leadoff spot
and maybe been MVP
Posted on 7/13/08 at 7:47 pm to Lester Earl
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It has nothing to do with him "turning it on" with runners on base and his average climbing nearly 30 points?
It MIGHT. Hypothetically it's possible, but as stats accumulate into a larger sample size you find this disparity goes down. What's his BABPIP with RISP? How does that compare to it with nobody on?
I don't know the answer because I'm hoping others do the research.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 7:48 pm to Lester Earl
yes but his VORP was like 20 points higher then the next guy. of course if he would have driven in more runs the sportswriters would have noticed him, oh and if he didn't play for the marlins
Posted on 7/13/08 at 7:48 pm to LfcSU3520
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I don't know the answer because I'm hoping others do the research.
So now you're hoping knat does your dirty work?
Posted on 7/13/08 at 7:48 pm to Lester Earl
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he prob would have knocked in 100+ runs from the leadoff spot
which would be unfrickingbelievable considering he was hitting behind the two weakest hitters in baseball. The 8th and 9th spot on an NL team.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 7:49 pm to LSUsmartass
who's knat?
but yes, I love making these arguments when numbers are given to me.
but yes, I love making these arguments when numbers are given to me.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 7:49 pm to LfcSU3520
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you can hear an announcer or analyst use this sitauation as a measuring stick almost everyday.
Not really.
considering most players, even the all time greats, dont have good numbers in the situation, i dont see why they would use that as a measuring stick.
Again, tell me the league AVG in that situation and then tell me Barry Bonds .266 AVG sucks. Id bet he is above the league average.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 7:50 pm to LfcSU3520
Bmac have you ever talked to a hitter about this? What would they say? Can they actually "turn it on" in an AB? I would say doubtful. I could see a different approach in a different situation but to say "ok there is 2 outs with RISP, i'm really going to try hard to hit this time" I don't think so
Posted on 7/13/08 at 7:51 pm to LfcSU3520
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which would be unfrickingbelievable considering he was hitting behind the two weakest hitters in baseball. The 8th and 9th spot on an NL team.
Well no shite.
instead he hit .307 compared to his .332 overall average.
great player, but sign on a young player.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 7:51 pm to Lester Earl
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considering most players, even the all time greats, dont have good numbers in the situation, i dont see why they would use that as a measuring stick
b/c they are lazy too and if you say enough people will accept it. Like David Ortiz being like the all time clutchiest ever. When he really just got in some good situations and got hits in like 10 games over a month stretch. Now he's the clutchiest ever
Posted on 7/13/08 at 7:52 pm to Lester Earl
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Not really
yes really.
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considering most players, even the all time greats, dont have good numbers in the situation, i dont see why they would use that as a measuring stick
because most analysts and announcers don't do their research and play with emotion. Ortiz is a great clutch hitter because everyone sees him hitting walk off HRs, or other dramatic HRs. So it becomes accepted as being a 'clutch' situation. It makes no sense but people talk about that sit. as being truly important. Of course they've never looked at the numbers.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 7:53 pm to LfcSU3520
read a joe morgan chat and tell me he ever did a ounce of research. I give you $100 if he did
Posted on 7/13/08 at 7:54 pm to TigerPhan27
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Bmac have you ever talked to a hitter about this
yeah last year I talked about it with Kinsler.
He says he's more focused with runners on and he has a chance to drive in runs. What we eventually came to realize was this never affected anything. His numbers would remain similar regardless of the situation.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 7:54 pm to TigerPhan27
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read a joe morgan chat and tell me he ever did a ounce of research. I give you $100 if he did
exactly. It's why firejoemorgan.com is the greatest site ever.
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