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Posted on 7/13/08 at 8:00 pm to TigerPhan27
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b/c they are lazy too and if you say enough people will accept it.
Accept what? YOu are now bashing announcers for saying stuff about 2outs and RISP stat, but that is the one you keep trying to use in your argument to make your point.
Everyone's numbers drop with 2 outs and RISP.
It doesnt mean Bonds or Ripken or Gywnn were no clutch.
I know you were just poking fun, but you were making no sense in the process.
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Like David Ortiz being like the all time clutchiest ever.
Maybe not ever,
but this doesnt impress you:
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What these events have in common is that they were big clutch hits -- more specifically, big clutch home runs. David Ortiz slugged five home runs and hit .400 in fourteen playoff games in 2004, including key hits such as the game-winning homer in Game 4 of the ALCS. But it was the 2005 regular season that cemented Ortiz's reputation, when he totaled 148 RBI and hit .352 with runners in scoring position. Perhaps most impressive, he blasted twenty home runs that either tied the game or put the Red Sox ahead.
(from the same ESPN page 2 article you used)...by the way, going word for word on what some of these writers say isnt always the best way to construct an argument...some arent any more credible than the big MLB baseball fan(me or you, in MLB pitcher in this case)
Posted on 7/13/08 at 8:00 pm to LSUsmartass
most hitters say when they try harder they do worse. So i guess the great "clutch" hitters give less than two shits when they go up to hit in the "clutch"
Posted on 7/13/08 at 8:03 pm to Lester Earl
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2outs and RISP stat, but that is the one you keep trying to use in your argument to make your point.
the only reason i would ever cite that stat would be in a dumb clutch hitting arguement. I think the stat is nothing. Joe Morgan doesn't
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he blasted twenty home runs that either tied the game or put the Red Sox ahead.
I mean not really. Did he hit like 14 in the 1st inning to take a 1-0 lead? Maybe if he hit 14 Hr's in the bottom of the 9th to take the lead. I woner how many of Bonds 70 billion home runs gave his team the lead. He's not clutchy mcclutch
Posted on 7/13/08 at 8:04 pm to LfcSU3520
Brandon, have you been a pitcher all your life? Just wondering.
FWIW, Kinsler BA RISP goes up 22 points compared to his normal career AVG.
I def think a player locks in more with runners on base. Or they just have a knack for getting the hit.
It is just a natural human reaction called pressure. Some step up, some do not.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 8:04 pm to Lester Earl
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(from the same ESPN page 2 article you used
I haven't gone on Espn page two in like 8 years, i have no clue what article you are talking about
Posted on 7/13/08 at 8:05 pm to TigerPhan27
Wow, I am seeing and getting your argument, but you're talking as if hitting a HR in the B9 is as easy as tarring a bat or putting on a helmet.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 8:05 pm to Lester Earl
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It is just a natural human reaction called pressure. Some step up, some do not.
maybe in golf, like those two slap dicks that just put the ball in the water on the playoff hole today. Jean Van de Velde in the 1999 Brit Open probably sucummed to pressure too
Posted on 7/13/08 at 8:06 pm to TigerPhan27
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I haven't gone on Espn page two in like 8 years, i have no clue what article you are talking about
The one you cited earlier with Mark Grace as being the most clutch hitter of all time.
It's one thing to form your own opinion, its another to rip off some no name guy named Nate Silver
Posted on 7/13/08 at 8:06 pm to Lester Earl
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FWIW, Kinsler BA RISP goes up 22 points compared to his normal career AVG.
I def think a player locks in more with runners on base. Or they just have a knack for getting the hit.
It is just a natural human reaction called pressure. Some step up, some do not.
Its already been proven as fact that an AB is easier with runners on base
Posted on 7/13/08 at 8:07 pm to LSUsmartass
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but you're talking as if hitting a HR in the B9 is as easy as tarring a bat or putting on a helmet.
I don't think that whatsoever. Hitting a HR is the best outcome you can have in an at bat. It's a good tool to judge productivity. Not clutchness
Posted on 7/13/08 at 8:07 pm to TigerPhan27
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maybe in golf, like those two slap dicks that just put the ball in the water on the playoff hole today. Jean Van de Velde in the 1999 Brit Open probably sucummed to pressure too
So you dont think in the 9th inning of a tie game, with runners on base, that a hitter doesnt feel extra pressure?
have you ever played baseball before? Come on.
your mindset changes totally with the situation.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 8:09 pm to Lester Earl
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The one you cited earlier with Mark Grace as being the most clutch hitter of all time.
Actually I got that from a book I've read called "baseball between the numbers"
So I guess I ripped off baseball prospectus. Sorry I didn't formulate that number on a spreadsheet real quick. Does anyone not "rip off" numbers when quoting stats besides rain man? this is getting very stupid
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Nate Silver
Jew
Posted on 7/13/08 at 8:10 pm to Lester Earl
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So you dont think in the 9th inning of a tie game, with runners on base, that a hitter doesnt feel extra pressure
yes of course, but no one in the history of the game ever has consistantly showed that he rises above this. It happens randomly. Clutch is not a skill.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 8:11 pm to TigerPhan27
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this is getting very stupid
Yes it is, the only thing that has been proven is that there are player with high OPS and high RBI totals, there are also players with high OPS and not so great RBI numbers...the only thing that isn't proven is if those guys with high OPS and low RBIs can produce in the 3 or 4 hole.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 8:11 pm to TigerPhan27
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So you dont think in the 9th inning of a tie game, with runners on base, that a hitter doesnt feel extra pressure
yes of course
to add there is no way you could ever quantify or prove who is good at not "feeling the pressure"
Posted on 7/13/08 at 8:12 pm to LSUsmartass
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only thing that is proven
is that i plagerize stats. LE keeps track of them on excel and does his on boxscores. No cheating for him
Posted on 7/13/08 at 8:13 pm to LSUsmartass
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the only thing that isn't proven is if those guys with high OPS and low RBIs can produce in the 3 or 4 hole
Barry Bonds
Posted on 7/13/08 at 8:14 pm to TigerPhan27
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yes of course, but no one in the history of the game ever has consistantly showed that he rises above this. It happens randomly. Clutch is not a skill.
Right. Random. Gotcha.
McCarthy wouldnt have cared if Ozzie Timmons is up in the 9th with runners on or if it was Ryne Sandberg.
It's all random.
This post was edited on 7/13/08 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 7/13/08 at 8:17 pm to TigerPhan27
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is that i plagerize stats. LE keeps track of them on excel and does his on boxscores. No cheating for him
Im not talking about stats, im talking about opinions. You claim your argument is always better because of this special research that you do.
Yet every time an argument comes up, your view is pretty underwhelming and filled with more sarcasm than facts or valid points.
And i dont keep spread sheets on anything. Most numbers are pretty easy to find on the net.
I then can form my own opinion, both by watching and by the numbers. I dont ripoff some no name guys research, whose opinion is no better than mine. Just because it is published doesnt mean it is the gospel
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