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re: Ryan Howard struck out twice tonight in 4 at bats
Posted on 7/13/08 at 2:22 am to FightinTigersDammit
Posted on 7/13/08 at 2:22 am to FightinTigersDammit
yes it still is.
It's not the preferred or most efficient way, but the run still scores.
I see what you're saying though
It's not the preferred or most efficient way, but the run still scores.
I see what you're saying though
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Posted on 7/13/08 at 2:28 am to LfcSU3520
Right....the hitter can't influence the catcher to drop that 3rd strike, whereas he does have some influence on a sac fly or an RBI groundout.
I'm coming at it from what the HITTER can do.
I'm coming at it from what the HITTER can do.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 2:44 am to FightinTigersDammit
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Let me rephrase, then-
There are a number of ways for a HITTER to drive in a run from third without actually making a base hit, but a strikeout isn't one of them.
Well, that point is somewhat obvious.
BUT, Bmac's point is that Howard may be striking out a lot, but his RBIs suggest he is INDEED bringing in runners at a very high rate, one of the highest in the Majors.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 2:49 am to shel311
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BUT, Bmac's point is that Howard may be striking out a lot, but his RBIs suggest he is INDEED bringing in runners at a very high rate, one of the highest in the Majors.
yep, K's are a different stats for him than they are for Jose Reyes. At least in the way they're put into context with the rest of his stats.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 3:46 am to LfcSU3520
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yep, K's are a different stats for him than they are for Jose Reyes. At least in the way they're put into context with the rest of his stats.
Word.
I'm a late night poster man, never really see you on.
But, congrats on getting on the comeback trail. I'll be rooting for you.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 6:12 am to LSUsmartass
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But according to a MSB poster, rbis is an extremely overrated stat
it is. for the most part.
it's not adam dun numbers, b/c adam dunn usually is around .400 obp, big diff from .320. Still Ryan Howard's season to date is still above average. He just needs to get on base more
Posted on 7/13/08 at 6:14 am to LSUsmartass
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RBIs is a measure of a hitters ability to come through.
naw, its a measure of how many people are on base in front of hitter. Good hitters are usually put in a postion in the order that lends itself to RBI, the RBI themselves do not make a person a good hitter
Posted on 7/13/08 at 6:17 am to LSUsmartass
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I only jumped into this argument because there are posters who firmly believe RBIs should be taken stricken from the stats book.
no stats should be taken away. People just need to use the stats more wisely. We are still stuck in this 1910 way of thinking about stats b/c all they had was avg, hr's, rbi's. Why with all the stats we now have at our disposal would we still judge people based on simplistic stats that don't really measure a players ability?
Posted on 7/13/08 at 9:58 am to TigerPhan27
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Why with all the stats we now have at our disposal would we still judge people based on simplistic stats that don't really measure a players ability?
because joe morgan said so
Posted on 7/13/08 at 10:03 am to SPEEDY
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That gives him 130 on the season and puts him on pace to strikeout 220 times this year, breaking his MLB record of 199
I noticed he didn't make the All-star team and leads the Majors in Home Runs. I was wondering how that was possible. I'm not much of a baseball guy, before anyone points out obvious statements.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 10:05 am to SPEEDY
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With a .230 batting average , an OBP of .320, and an OPS of around .800
Dunn never had an OBP close to .320
Posted on 7/13/08 at 10:16 am to JJ27
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I'm pretty sure no one ever said getting a hit with someone on base was luck.
If you look over the course of time, there are some players who have been better in the "clutch" than in non-clutch situations (vs league average), and some that have been worse in the "clutch." But the numbers are such that would be expected given a normal distribution.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 10:20 am to AreJay
RBIs are stupid. Ryan Howard will always have a ton of RBIs hitting behind Rollins, Victorino, and Utley. Compare this to Albert Pujols, who despite having a much much much better season (OPS+ 187 versus 113 for Howard) has 34 less RBI (84 to 50) because he hits 3rd behind Aaron Miles/Skip Schumaker and Ryan Ludwick. They also have remarkably similar numbers with RISP (1.079 OPS for Howard, 1.016 for Pujols.)
FWIW, Howard is only having an above average season not because of strikeouts, but because the .324 OBP is just bad.
FWIW, Howard is only having an above average season not because of strikeouts, but because the .324 OBP is just bad.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 10:25 am to JJ27
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A groundout to the right side or a deep flyout will move a runner/possibly score a run. A K isn't going to move shite.
There are no double plays with strikeouts...
Posted on 7/13/08 at 10:26 am to LSUsmartass
What Adrian Gonzalez is doing in that putrid lineup and that cavern of a ballpark in San Diego is much more impressive than what Ryan Howard is doing in that sandlot with that stacked lineup over in Philly.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 5:16 pm to AreJay
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If you look over the course of time, there are some players who have been better in the "clutch" than in non-clutch situations (vs league average), and some that have been worse in the "clutch."
yes but they aren't duplicated thus they are completely random
Posted on 7/13/08 at 5:42 pm to AreJay
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This post was edited on 7/13/08 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 7/13/08 at 5:49 pm to LSUsmartass
RBI's arent all luck.
some hitters fold when asked to drive in runs....
some thrive when asked to drive in runs....
regardless if they arent responsible for the runners being on base, some one has to hit them in.
There is a lot more pressure on a hitter with runners at 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs or even 1 out, then there is with the bases empty.
Like i said, some are great at getting it done, and some are not.
some hitters fold when asked to drive in runs....
some thrive when asked to drive in runs....
regardless if they arent responsible for the runners being on base, some one has to hit them in.
There is a lot more pressure on a hitter with runners at 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs or even 1 out, then there is with the bases empty.
Like i said, some are great at getting it done, and some are not.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 5:51 pm to Lester Earl
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RBI's arent all luck.
some hitters fold when asked to drive in runs....
some thrive when asked to drive in runs....
regardless if they arent responsible for the runners being on base, some one has to hit them in.
There is a lot more pressure on a hitter with runners at 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs or even 1 out, then there is with the bases empty.
Like i said, some are great at getting it done, and some are not.
According to this thread, when hitters get on base they're automatic RBIs, the luck lies with whoever is hitting behind them. Also, if the bases are loaded then a grand slam is pretty much a given.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 5:55 pm to LSUsmartass
yeah, a grand slam HR is easier to get than a solo HR!! Who knew?
someone tell Adam Dunn
someone tell Adam Dunn
This post was edited on 7/13/08 at 5:56 pm
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