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re: Ryan Howard struck out twice tonight in 4 at bats
Posted on 7/13/08 at 1:11 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 7/13/08 at 1:11 am to SlowFlowPro
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well i do know that RBIs are a mis-used stat
WRONG!!!
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more of a luck thing than anything else
Wrong and dumb!!!! The most important stat from a hitters standpoint is avg. with runners in scoring position!! Some are alot better than others!! luck my arse!!
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Posted on 7/13/08 at 1:11 am to SlowFlowPro
Howard is actually hitting pretty damn well when he has runners in scoring position
Posted on 7/13/08 at 1:12 am to dukke v
Now that I think about it, how can pushing across an RBI be luck...there are many times where a batter wont even get credit for an RBI
Posted on 7/13/08 at 1:13 am to geauxlsu07
So the guys in front of him get on because of him? I can see if you say the batter directly in front of him getting more fastballs, but if the guys are in scoring position, more times than not it wasn't the batter directly in front of him. It was a batter 2-3 batters in front of him that have been moved over into position for Howard to score him, yet again something he has no control over.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 1:15 am to JJ27
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I can see if you say the batter directly in front of him getting more fastballs, but if the guys are in scoring position, more times than not it wasn't the batter directly in front of him. It was a batter 2-3 batters in front of him that have been moved over into position for Howard to score him, yet again something he has no control over.
Ok, but somebody has got to push those runners across the plate? I fail to see a valid argument for RBIs = luck
Posted on 7/13/08 at 1:18 am to LSUsmartass
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Ok, but somebody has got to push those runners across the plate? I fail to see a valid argument for RBIs = luck
going to disagree with you here and agree with SFP. It's not a worthless stat like pitcher's w-l, but it's not as important as it's made out to be.
The difference between 100 rbi and 120 rbi isn't that big. If a solid hitter in front of you spends two weeks on the DL and someone who gets on base less replaces him in the lineup, that shouldn't affect a critical individual stat.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 1:19 am to LSUsmartass
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I fail to see a valid argument for RBIs = luck
I'm saying he could have 55 homeruns, 200 hits, and 55 RBIs. The guys in front of him have to be in position for him to score them. That takes a degree of luck for him to have the opportunity to push them across. The year Bonds set the record with 73 homeruns, Sosa lead the NL with 160 RBIs, 29 more than Bonds.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 1:22 am to LfcSU3520
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If a solid hitter in front of you spends two weeks on the DL and someone who gets on base less replaces him in the lineup, that shouldn't affect a critical individual stat.
So you're saying the stat isn't important because the situation doesn't always present itself? I don't get the argument. RBIs is a measure of a hitters ability to come through...I will ask this, what is the most important hitter's stat?
Posted on 7/13/08 at 1:22 am to JJ27
stats that are dependent on others are way, way overrated.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 1:23 am to LfcSU3520
The only thing about the RBI I don't agree with is Sac flys and getting walked with the bases loaded!! Those should not even count!! But if you hit the ball in play and runners score that is not luck!!!
Posted on 7/13/08 at 1:24 am to LSUsmartass
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I will ask this, what is the most important hitter's stat?
OBP imo and it's not close. No matter how you do it, get on base. Baserunners=opportunities to score runs, PERIOD. Single, double, triple, homerun, walk, error, HBP, I don't care. I'd take the guy with the highest OBP over a guy with 55 homeruns and 200 strikeouts every time.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 1:25 am to LSUsmartass
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So you're saying the stat isn't important because the situation doesn't always present itself? I don't get the argument. RBIs is a measure of a hitters ability to come through...I will ask this, what is the most important hitter's stat?
Kinsler grounds out, Michael Young flies out and then Hamilton hits a HR. 1 RBI
Kinsler walks, Young singles, Hamilton hits a HR. 3RBIs
Hamilton did nothing different but his stat line was fully dependent on what the people in front of him did.
I would say OBP and OPS are the two most important stats.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 1:27 am to dukke v
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But if you hit the ball in play and runners score that is not luck!!!
I'm pretty sure no one ever said getting a hit with someone on base was luck. The luck is getting the opportunity to hit with someone on base. Isn't it harder to hit with no one on as opposed to with the bases loaded? HELL YEAH IT IS. Bases loaded, there is no where to put you. The pitcher MUST throw you a strike. If first is open, he doesn't have to give you shite. A grand slam is easier to hit than a solo in some cases imo.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 1:27 am to dukke v
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The only thing about the RBI I don't agree with is Sac flys and getting walked with the bases loaded!!
why? He did what he had to do in order to get the run in. I think even if you hit into a DP and the run scores it should be an RBI.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 1:28 am to JJ27
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I'd take the guy with the highest OBP over a guy with 55 homeruns and 200 strikeouts every time.
Or you get as many OBP guys as you can and a couple of guys with power. then you become the Red Sox.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 1:28 am to JJ27
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A grand slam is easier to hit than a solo in some cases imo.
very good point
Posted on 7/13/08 at 1:33 am to LfcSU3520
Bmac, I guess football stats are completely idiotic?
Posted on 7/13/08 at 1:35 am to LSUsmartass
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Bmac, I guess football stats are completely idiotic?
I was referring to baseball stats. Baseball is much more individualized than football.
Sometimes dependent stats work, but for the most part I believe they play too much of a role in analysis.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 1:38 am to LSUsmartass
also, if QBa has the best receiving corps in football and QBb has the worst their stats become a little skewed. A could have 20 Td passes and that stat could be less impressive than B's 15.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 1:41 am to LfcSU3520
Joe DiMaggio
361 HR
369 K
Ted Williams
521 HR
709 K
361 HR
369 K
Ted Williams
521 HR
709 K
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