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re: Pitch clock has helped baseball tremendously
Posted on 4/18/23 at 8:36 am to Tiger Ryno
Posted on 4/18/23 at 8:36 am to Tiger Ryno
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Preach.
There is a huge gap in understanding about launch angle from majority of fans.
Every ball that has ever been hit has a measurable launch angle.
Hitting coaches don't teach "launch angle". Launch angle is a product of attack angle and there is an optimal range as the poster above said based on a hitters bat speed, exit velo etc...
we will just be downvoted by people who frankly have zero clue wtf they are talking about
btw yall playing in the NIT this weekend? yall switched over to wildcatters yet?
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Posted on 4/18/23 at 8:40 am to Tiger Ryno
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Hitting coaches don't teach "launch angle". Launch angle is a product of attack angle and there is an optimal range as the poster above said based on a hitters bat speed, exit velo etc...
Yeah this is wrong and why kids show up at the high school level with no ability to hit velo at all. Obviously attack angle is important but the contact point is more important. You cannot elevate a ball past a certain point in the swing, hence the "cheating" to be early and the swing and miss. Go back to coaching your U12 team and leave the rest to the experts.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 8:40 am to lsu777
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we will just be downvoted by people who frankly have zero clue wtf they are talking about
btw yall playing in the NIT this weekend? yall switched over to wildcatters yet?
Travel ball dads like you are the worst.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 8:53 am to HottyToddy7
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Yeah this is wrong and why kids show up at the high school level with no ability to hit velo at all. Obviously attack angle is important but the contact point is more important. You cannot elevate a ball past a certain point in the swing, hence the "cheating" to be early and the swing and miss. Go back to coaching your U12 team and leave the rest to the experts.
yes you fricking can? are you saying you can not let a ball travel on the outside part of the plate and elevate it?
you have no clue wtf you are talking about. go get driveline certified and spend hours upon hours reading and learning and watching and then come back and talk to me
hell just go read science of hitting by ted williams.
frankly you are fricking clueless on wtf you are talking about
if you want to get into specifics ill be more than happy this afternoon to link you to some stuff to educate yourself
as far as the comment about travel ball dads like me being the worst
yea there are so many travel ball dads that are cpps, cscs, driveline, opex and frankyl too many others to list certified.
frankly you have no clue. i assume from your comment you are prolyl a hs coach. well learn the modern game, how to teach it and you wont be getting schooled on a message board for living in 1988.
and the experts say exactly what we are saying, quite the opposite of you. but hey yea im sure you are the expert.
do yourself a favor, go watch every jason ochart, every josh cathcart, every epstein, every baseball rebellion, every out front hitting video on youtube and come back and we can talk
Posted on 4/18/23 at 9:00 am to lsu777
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yes you fricking can? are you saying you can not let a ball travel on the outside part of the plate and elevate it?
If you catch it out front then yeah. If not there is no exit velo. There is no power left in the swing. Obviously "out front" of an outside pitch is different than "out front" of an inside pitch. All I'm saying is that you cheat to get elevated exit velo also known as an up count approach. It is viable throughout a whole AB unless you are willing to strike out and be ok with it.
Explain to me how a ball at your belly button (contact point) gets elevated with exit velo.
This post was edited on 4/18/23 at 9:41 am
Posted on 4/18/23 at 10:02 am to lsu777
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you want to get into specifics ill be more than happy this afternoon to link you to some stuff to educate yourself
As a dad and volunteer coach on a little league team that’s getting our doors blown off because only 2 kids on the team can hit the ball with any authority I very much would like these links.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 10:04 am to Oilfieldbiology
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As a dad and volunteer coach on a little league team that’s getting our doors blown off because only 2 kids on the team can hit the ball with any authority I very much would like these links.
How old?
The most helpful thing you can do is get reps. Hit off tees. hit off front toss. Try to hit the back of the cage on a line. Hand eye coordination and practicing putting the bat on the ball and controlling the body will help 10000x more than launch angle mechanics.
This post was edited on 4/18/23 at 10:07 am
Posted on 4/18/23 at 10:41 am to Allthatfades
I like the banning of the shift. I’m still torn on base size and throw overs, as the pendulum may have swung too far in favor of the runners.
I am also not a fan of the current pitch clock. I think they should give the pitchers and hitters a little bit more time. Baseball is like chess, a thinking man’s game. The clock eliminates some of the mental game. I also don’t want to go to a game, spend $$$ to park, buy a ticket, then see a 2 hour game.
Could the game be sped up from previous years? Certainly. I just think they overdid it.
I am also not a fan of the current pitch clock. I think they should give the pitchers and hitters a little bit more time. Baseball is like chess, a thinking man’s game. The clock eliminates some of the mental game. I also don’t want to go to a game, spend $$$ to park, buy a ticket, then see a 2 hour game.
Could the game be sped up from previous years? Certainly. I just think they overdid it.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 10:43 am to HottyToddy7
Young. 7u
And the only reason I’m asking is because every team we play seems to be hitting it into the outfield at worst every other batter when we only have 3 kids to consistently do it.
And the only reason I’m asking is because every team we play seems to be hitting it into the outfield at worst every other batter when we only have 3 kids to consistently do it.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 10:45 am to lsu777
No we aren't playing in NIT. Planned to go BR next weekend if enough teams sign up.
Not wildcatters yet. Hahaa. They are taking over the entire Hou scene tho.
Not wildcatters yet. Hahaa. They are taking over the entire Hou scene tho.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 10:54 am to Oilfieldbiology
At 7 basic mechanical fundamentals are still import to reinforce, proper load, stride direction, etc.
Hitting ball hard consistently is largely dependent on bat speed. This can be easily developed and measured. Buy a blast motion bat sensor. You can see attack angle, bat speed and other metrics.
If a kid is swinging with a negative angle he will pound balls into the ground. At 7u many of those will be hits. By 9u 90% of them will outs.
Hitting ball hard consistently is largely dependent on bat speed. This can be easily developed and measured. Buy a blast motion bat sensor. You can see attack angle, bat speed and other metrics.
If a kid is swinging with a negative angle he will pound balls into the ground. At 7u many of those will be hits. By 9u 90% of them will outs.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 11:03 am to lsu777
Ahhh ... somone who really knows baseball.
Thanks for joining the conversation. Stick around please.
Thanks for joining the conversation. Stick around please.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 11:06 am to Tiger Ryno
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a kid is swinging with a negative angle he will pound balls into the ground. At 7u many of those will be hits. By 9u 90% of them will outs.
From what I’m seeing 90% of these are outs at 7u. Some of these kids are good
This post was edited on 4/18/23 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 4/18/23 at 11:06 am to Allthatfades
Went last night was home by 915, stayed for all 9 inn.
That was nice, on work nights
That was nice, on work nights
Posted on 4/18/23 at 11:20 am to wheelz007
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My biggest gripe with MLB is the acceptance of striking out. It's the absolute worst thing you can do with your at bat.
There’s 50+ guys in the majors now that can touch or flirt with 100mph. An emphasis on launch angle has changed but I think it’s more of a response to how elite pitching is now
Posted on 4/18/23 at 11:50 am to Oilfieldbiology
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From what I’m seeing 90% of these are ours at 7u. Some of these kids are good
Talking to 7 year olds who can't hit yet (You said they aren't consistently hitting the ball into the outfield) about negative bat angle is going to get you nowhere. Set up a tee in the cage and make them hit the ball into the back of the net. Coach the ball not the swing. The kids need to learn how to control their body and the bat to make the contact they want. Until they can do that, everything else is wasting time.
I may not have 4 certifications but I know kids, and they don't have the hand-eye coordination to barrel up the ball constantly. This isn't a swing path issue. It is a body control issue. They just need to take swings and learn how to put the barrel on the ball. Once that is consistent then you can coach the swing.
Use a step system. Tee until barrel to ball is consistent. Make it a game. (Back of the net 5 points, top of the net -1, Side nets 1, ground 0). Then go to underhand front toss. then go to overhand toss.
Then start adding in broom stick and plastic golf balls to make it more challenging. I'm telling you, body and bat control is the most important thing to learn at that age. Swing path is irrelevant because they can't control the bat.
This post was edited on 4/18/23 at 11:52 am
Posted on 4/18/23 at 11:56 am to HottyToddy7
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se a step system. Tee until barrel to ball is consistent. Make it a game. (Back of the net 5 points, top of the net -1, Side nets 1, ground 0). Then go to underhand front toss. then go to overhand toss.
I remember those old batting cages at Grand Slam USA with the numbers on them
Posted on 4/18/23 at 1:07 pm to HottyToddy7
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If you catch it out front then yeah. If not there is no exit velo. There is no power left in the swing
:rotflmao: yea so nobody ever lets a outside pitch travel deep and takes it over right center. you frankly have no clue what you are talking about. zero clue at all
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Obviously "out front" of an outside pitch is different than "out front" of an inside pitch
no shite because its not out front on an outside pitch. its letting the ball travel deep and staying connected and hitting it on the back point of the plate
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All I'm saying is that you cheat to get elevated exit velo also known as an up count approac
no, no thats not what it is known as. its also not cheating. wtf are you talking about?
no offense but you have no clue on this, zero on hitting at all. whatever you think you know you either suck at putting into words or you are just wrong on.
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Explain to me how a ball at your belly button (contact point) gets elevated with exit velo.
you only let it get deep like that if its outside, other wise you clear the hips quicker and catch it based off location, but you dont ever try and get full extension at contact, you rotate the box and tilt to get to the ball.
read this on where to hit the ball LINK
then go read these 3 articles on launch angle
LINK
LINK
LINK
then do yourself a favor, read every single article baseball rebellion has put out on hitting.
then do yourself a favor and go watch teacherman and his drills. yea he is a dick and he sucks cock as a person, atleast on the internet, but go do it anyways
then go listen to every single thing jason ochart has ever put out.
then if you have kids and really want to learn, do the rebels rack cert from baseball rebellion, then the driveline youth baseball coach cert then the hitting cert. then get the hacking the kinetic chain hitting edition. then go to get epstein certified....then come back and we can have a conversation on hitting, maybe.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 1:09 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Young. 7u
And the only reason I’m asking is because every team we play seems to be hitting it into the outfield at worst every other batter when we only have 3 kids to consistently do it.
go watch everything hitting done right (josh cathcart) has put out. LINK
send me an email too and ill send you some practice plans i have gotten from him and links to private courses.
lsu777td
gmail
Posted on 4/18/23 at 1:14 pm to Allthatfades
Went to Astros/Rangers game on Saturday. 2.5 hours. It was great.
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