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re: Phil Jackson: "LeBron needs to takeover like Michael did"
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:19 am to cas4t
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:19 am to cas4t
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. At least then if they lose people can't blame him.
Say what you want, but at a certain inflection point of greatness winning titles matter.
Jerry West,Dr.J and Wilt all have lesser legacies because they won less titles.
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:20 am to shel311
I agree with you, but it really doesn't change the fact that LeBron really didn't use his superior strength, athleticism, and speed to his advantage.
This is a guy who can take on anyone when driving to the rim and he keeps pulling up short taking bad shots. It really doesn't make sense.
This is a guy who can take on anyone when driving to the rim and he keeps pulling up short taking bad shots. It really doesn't make sense.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:20 am to genro
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Jordan wept after winning titles.
Once he stole the game ball as the buzzer sounded and ran to the locker room to weep alone.
It truly meant everything to him. There really aren't many athletes anywhere like that.
this is exactly what i'm talking about regarding the mythology of "Michael Jordan"
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:21 am to RonBurgundy
Oh I agree. Lebron going 2-6 in NBA Finals is not going to play out well years down the road. Especially if Curry keeps winning.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:21 am to SabiDojo
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This is a guy who can take on anyone when driving to the rim and he keeps pulling up short taking bad shots. It really doesn't make sense.
He.
Plays.
Soft.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:21 am to SabiDojo
It's been really frustrating to watch
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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"Michael Jordan" is a mythology at this point and we measure everyone against him due to his perfect timing with the explosion of the popularity of the NBA and MJ being the most marketable face during that expansion. he is the GOAT but we measure everyone against MJ instead of an overview/objective look
it makes any comparison pointless b/c nobody can ever be "Michael Jordan" again
to play contrarian here, wouldn't it be MORE likely to have "another michael jordan" in today's constant 24/7 information overload society? Even as recently as the mid-90s, unless you watched JOrdan play that night, you either had to wait until the midnight sportscenter highlights (or the next day) or get tomorrow's newspaper. You talk about the popularity explostion during jordan's time, wouldn't it stand to reason that exposure and popularity has only grown? I know there may never be another MJ as far as marketing precense, but it aint like lebron is just sitting at home.
MJ is MJ because he was the best that played and he simply won when it mattered, which you can't say for lebron.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:23 am to SlowFlowPro
But it's not mythology. These things actually happened. He was a person in real time who really was like this.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:24 am to genro
And the explosion of the NBA happened in the 80s with Bird and Magic
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:25 am to cas4t
There isn't a higher percentage shot than at the basket, and LeBron can get to it. And, you can draw fouls, distrupt GS's rotation. I know LeBron gets mugged a lot with no calls, but you have to try. Eventually the refs are going to call it.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:25 am to WG_Dawg
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wouldn't it be MORE likely to have "another michael jordan" in today's constant 24/7 information overload society?
hell no. Michael Jordan would never be "Michael Jordan" in today's game. he'd be a mercurial a-hole who likely gets in Kobe-esque feuds with teammates (esp when things go wrong). he'd be seen as paying too much attention to outside activities (gambling, primarily)
the concept of "Michael Jordan" was created in large part by a media who shielded the public from all his negatives and promoted the ever living shite out of all of his positives. he'd never have that mythology built in today's media climate
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and he simply won when it mattered,
except when he didn't
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:26 am to genro
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These things actually happened.
just because they happened doesn't mean they provide any meaningful data
however, since Michael Jordan did do these things, they're now part of "Michael Jordan"
and now anyone who doesn't react the exact same is lesser
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:26 am to SlowFlowPro
You overthink things way too much.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:28 am to shel311
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If you watched that 4th quarter and don't agree that he took over and singlehandedly led the team back, I'm not sure what to tell you.
Where did you get that from anything I said?
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:28 am to PortCityTiger24
this is the fun part of life
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:30 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:He was seen as that then. This thread is about the heat he took.
Michael Jordan would never be "Michael Jordan" in today's game. he'd be a mercurial a-hole who likely gets in Kobe-esque feuds with teammates (esp when things go wrong). he'd be seen as paying too much attention to outside activities (gambling, primarily)
Lots of people also openly doubted that a high scoring SG could lead a team to a championship as it hadn't really been done before.
His faults were often discussed, there were tell all books that exposed his many faults.
Then he went out and won all the time. It's not some Camelot fantasy.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:31 am to SlowFlowPro
You act like there isn't real data and championship results backing the greatness of MJ.
Bo Jackson was a mythology. MJ? That's laughable. You can be a big commercial figure without being overrated.
Bo Jackson was a mythology. MJ? That's laughable. You can be a big commercial figure without being overrated.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:31 am to SlowFlowPro
I guess I'm sorry you didn't witness it and don't understand it
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:32 am to mattz1122
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You act like there isn't real data and championship results backing the greatness of MJ.
no
i clearly said there is objective data to make this argument (and win)
quote:
You can be a big commercial figure without being overrated.
i think you have a typo there
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:32 am to cas4t
quote:The legend of MJ!!!
MJ, who dropped 61(?) with the flu (hangover) in a playoff game
I think it was 38 points?
quote:The legit discussion to have is WTF happened to his jumper? The problem is, he simply can't post up all night becuase that shite is tiring. If he could shoot 10 jumpers and make a few, that would go a long ways in staying rested, but for reasons unknown, he can't.
but they legit need Bron to just go the frick off and drive to the hole and post up on the block all night
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