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Phil Jackson: "LeBron needs to takeover like Michael did"
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:43 am
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:43 am
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As Jackson recalled, Jordan was fueled by a newspaper article about his mid-series casino trip. "It did something to Michael Jordan," Jackson said, as reported by the New York Daily News. "You learned something about pulling the cape of Superman. It's not a good idea. He was a man possessed after that. I think it's going to take something for LeBron to step into that. Put his cape on and say, 'I'm going to have to take over a lot of this series, doing the things beyond my level or my normal capacity.' He's been a team player up until this point but I think he's going to have to step beyond that."
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This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 10:44 am
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:45 am to RonBurgundy
wise man he is, LeBron step up will he not?
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:45 am to RonBurgundy
Bring back the illegal defense rules.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:47 am to RonBurgundy
He would LeCramp though
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:48 am to RonBurgundy
this goes back to my arguments last week
"Michael Jordan" is a mythology at this point and we measure everyone against him due to his perfect timing with the explosion of the popularity of the NBA and MJ being the most marketable face during that expansion. he is the GOAT but we measure everyone against MJ instead of an overview/objective look
it makes any comparison pointless b/c nobody can ever be "Michael Jordan" again (as it's one person with one story and one narrative that already happened)
"Michael Jordan" is a mythology at this point and we measure everyone against him due to his perfect timing with the explosion of the popularity of the NBA and MJ being the most marketable face during that expansion. he is the GOAT but we measure everyone against MJ instead of an overview/objective look
it makes any comparison pointless b/c nobody can ever be "Michael Jordan" again (as it's one person with one story and one narrative that already happened)
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:49 am to RonBurgundy
quote:So absurd.
As Jackson recalled, Jordan was fueled by a newspaper article about his mid-series casino trip. "It did something to Michael Jordan," Jackson said, as reported by the New York Daily News. "You learned something about pulling the cape of Superman. It's not a good idea. He was a man possessed after that
Yes, he's forgotten more about basketball than I ever have, and yes he was more in tune with MJ than I was...still patently absurd.
The reason is simple, he's basically saying if that doesn't happen, MJ isn't as motivated. Read that again, Michael Jordan wouldn't have been as motivated to win a playoff series if it weren't for a newspaper article.
Now, I'm going to sort of contradict my strong take lol. Did that article actually motivate MJ? Yes. But here's the rub, if that article never existed, MJ would have found something else to motivate him just as much, and that something would have did something to MJ just like the article did, and he would still have been a man possessed, just like the article made him.
And to Phil's main point...it won't matter, they'll still lose. He didn't shoot well, but Lebron did exactly that last season, and it didn't matter. It won't matter again this season. GS is just better.
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 10:50 am
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:49 am to bwallcubfan
FWIW, Phil is a hypocrite for saying LeBron needs to take over.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:50 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:The best part about the guys that say Lebron isn't top 5 or top 10...do they not realize that there is only 1 player we compare him to? Just one.
"Michael Jordan" is a mythology at this point and we measure everyone against him due to his perfect timing with the explosion of the popularity of the NBA and MJ being the most marketable face during that expansion. he is the GOAT but we measure everyone against MJ instead of an overview/objective look it makes any comparison pointless b/c nobody can ever be "Michael Jordan" again (as it's one person with one story and one narrative that already happened)
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:51 am to shel311
quote:
.do they not realize that there is only 1 player we compare him to? Just one.
naw people throw out "Magic", too
occasionally, Shaq (due to strength and how he gets unfair foul treatment by refs, like Shaq)
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:52 am to RonBurgundy
Michael didn't need someone to tell him he needed to takeover. He did need a good coach to build a decent team around him, though.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:54 am to shel311
quote:Jordan would've found something. There's always something.
The reason is simple, he's basically saying if that doesn't happen, MJ isn't as motivated.
In his Finals against the Blazers there was a small minority saying maybe Drexler was better and Jordan had a weakness in jump shooting. So in Game 1 he proceeds to hit 6 first half 3's and completely shut down Clyde on D.
Remember his HoF speech? Where he just thanked all the doubters like a bitter a-hole? Twas just Jordan's makeup, he was always looking for any kind of slight or disrespect to internalize and prove wrong. He would've found it.
Jackson wasn't saying MJ wouldn't have found it. He's saying LeBron doesn't have that in his nature
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 10:57 am
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:58 am to SlowFlowPro
LJ does get called for too many offensive fouls b/c of his strength.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:59 am to genro
quote:100%
Jordan would've found something. There's always something. In his Finals against the Blazers there was a small minority saying maybe Drexler was better and Jordan had a weakness in jump shooting. So in Game 1 he proceeds to hit 6 first half 3's and completely shut down Clyde on D. Remember his HoF speech? Where he just thanked all the doubters like a bitter a-hole? Twas just Jordan's makeup, he was always looking for any kind of slight or disrespect to internalize and prove wrong. He would've found it.
quote:i'll throw out the disclaimer to preface it and say, no Lebron isn't MJ.
Jackson wasn't saying MJ wouldn't have found it. He's saying LeBron doesn't have that in his nature
That being said, what about ALL the times Lebron has done it, why do we ignore that? Game 6 @ Bos. Game 7 vs Bos. Game 6 4th quarter vs SAS. Game 7 vs SAS. He's done it sooooooo many times, but we so many times act like it's never happened.
i could even point to losing series where he's played better than MJ ever has in a series, think Orlando...
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 11:00 am
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:00 am to SlowFlowPro
what does
have to do with
not sure phil is measuring one v. the other. he's saying one should take on the mindset of the other and stop being so passive.
quote:
"Michael Jordan" is a mythology at this point and we measure everyone against him due to his perfect timing with the explosion of the popularity of the NBA and MJ being the most marketable face during that expansion. he is the GOAT but we measure everyone against MJ instead of an overview/objective look
have to do with
quote:
"LeBron needs to takeover like Michael did"
not sure phil is measuring one v. the other. he's saying one should take on the mindset of the other and stop being so passive.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:02 am to quail man
quote:One has done that many times before, in wins and losses.
he's saying one should take on the mindset of the other and stop being so passive
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:03 am to shel311
lebron was criticized when he'd pass to wide open teammates for the winning shot and that's never going to leave his rep
lebron has a different mentality than jordan. objectively, what he does with that mentality matters when compared to jordan. however, we don't purely measure them objectively as individuals. jordan was a maniac super-aggro guy, so anyone who wants to be compared to jordan has to follow suit or he's dismissed.
lebron has not done enough, objectively, to overtake MJ. that makes these discussions so much more free, because now we can move back and talk about the argument itself. if curry keeps this up for a few years, he's going to face the same bullshite arguments built around the concept of "Michael Jordan", regardless of what he does as a basketball player
for example, Curry is never going to be that super aggro maniac a-hole like Jordan, so beware the subjective commentary centered around how he's not competitive enough to overtake jordan
lebron has a different mentality than jordan. objectively, what he does with that mentality matters when compared to jordan. however, we don't purely measure them objectively as individuals. jordan was a maniac super-aggro guy, so anyone who wants to be compared to jordan has to follow suit or he's dismissed.
lebron has not done enough, objectively, to overtake MJ. that makes these discussions so much more free, because now we can move back and talk about the argument itself. if curry keeps this up for a few years, he's going to face the same bullshite arguments built around the concept of "Michael Jordan", regardless of what he does as a basketball player
for example, Curry is never going to be that super aggro maniac a-hole like Jordan, so beware the subjective commentary centered around how he's not competitive enough to overtake jordan
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:05 am to quail man
quote:
he's saying one should take on the mindset of the other and stop being so passive.
lebron isn't really passive as much as he has an overall view of the offense (while MJ was more about his isolated impact on the offense)
however, since "Michael Jordan" has the mythology of "taking over," then LBJ must do so too (even if it's not his game and won't be as efficient). it's just not fair as a discussion point from the outset
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:05 am to quail man
quote:Off the top of my head:
he's saying one should take on the mindset of the other and stop being so passive.
Game 1,2,3,4,5,6 vs Golden State last year
Game 6 and 7 vs SAS
Game 6 and 7 vs Boston
Games 1,2,3,4,5,6 vs Orlando
Games 3,4,5,6 against Detroit
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:05 am to RonBurgundy
11 Ch;a@mpins41hip rings;;;
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:06 am to shel311
He's saying LJ needs to do that this series
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