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re: Phil Jackson: "LeBron needs to takeover like Michael did"
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:47 am to ShamelessPel
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:47 am to ShamelessPel
quote:Yea, a solid point.
Quote should read: "LeBron needs Prime Pippen to walk through that door."
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:48 am to RonBurgundy
Phil Phil is right. I just don't think LeBron can be that kind of guy.
You could say he was last year in the finals and he was. But he was a one man team basically. I don't know if he can be MJ and play with other players.
I guess that sounds dumb but it seems right at the same time.
downvote away
You could say he was last year in the finals and he was. But he was a one man team basically. I don't know if he can be MJ and play with other players.
I guess that sounds dumb but it seems right at the same time.
downvote away
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:48 am to SlowFlowPro
There are plenty of people who were full grown adults in the 90s, are fully aware that Jordan had a cultivated marketing image as all marketable athletes do, and will still tell you all the same things about his nature and who he was
Recognizing greatness in the playoffs, recognizing aspects of personality in an athlete is not a childish mythology. To dismiss it all as invalid, the fantasy of duped rubes is just a flippant way to avoid real conversations regarding personality that can't be conveniently quantified
Recognizing greatness in the playoffs, recognizing aspects of personality in an athlete is not a childish mythology. To dismiss it all as invalid, the fantasy of duped rubes is just a flippant way to avoid real conversations regarding personality that can't be conveniently quantified
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:49 am to danfraz
quote:I wouldn't say it sounds dumb, but I would say it doesn't make sense and/or I don't understand what you're trying to say.
You could say he was last year in the finals and he was. But he was a one man team basically. I don't know if he can be MJ and play with other players. I guess that sounds dumb but it seems right at the same time. downvote away
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:49 am to shel311
quote:
You quoted a game that I was pointing out where he took over, then responded with a few things he did wrong.
How else am I supposed to take that other than you insinuating you disagreed with me? Honest question.
Well I didn't disagree with you for starters. He was a beast that game when he lost the headband. I was just saying that a performance like that still would have been overshadowed by those two turnovers at the end of the game, right or wrong.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:50 am to genro
quote:
To dismiss it all as invalid, the fantasy of duped rubes is just a flippant way to avoid real conversations regarding personality that can't be conveniently quantified
why does personality matter much when we are talking about athletes playing a game with objective data?
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:50 am to shel311
quote:
I wouldn't say it sounds dumb, but I would say it doesn't make sense and/or I don't understand what you're trying to say.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:51 am to PortCityTiger24
quote:Did he not take over in the 4th quarter?
Well I didn't disagree with you for starters. He was a beast that game when he lost the headband. I was just saying that a performance like that still would have been overshadowed by those two turnovers at the end of the game, right or wrong.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:52 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:because not all data in sports can be quantified and personality matters.
why does personality matter much when we are talking about athletes playing a game with objective data?
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:52 am to shel311
quote:
Did he not take over in the 4th quarter?
Yes? WTF are you arguing about? I never said you were wrong about anything you said
My comment
quote:
Played with heart, then turned it over twice in the last 2 minutes and would have had a loooong arse summer. Good thing the Spurs missed 2 FT and Allen knocked down that 3, because people would have forgotten how great he played to get them back in the game.
shite, I was acknowledging that he played great and it still would have been a shite show if they had lost.
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 11:54 am
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:53 am to genro
quote:
and personality matters.
why?
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:54 am to ShamelessPel
quote:
To this day, I wonder if Phil has something against Pippen cause he never pops up in these bullshite quotes. Dude averaged 20/8/8 against Portland on 48% from the field.
All I know is that as I said before, Phil is a hypocrite for making this quote, and that is because last year, he had this statement.
quote:
"When I watch some of these playoff games, and I look at what's being run out there, as what people call an offense, it's really quite remarkable to see how far our game has fallen from a team game," Jackson said. "Four guys stand around watching one guy dribble a basketball."
The lack of structure extends even to the basic tenets of the game, Jackson said.
"I watch LeBron James, for example," he said. "He might [travel] every other time he catches the basketball if he's off the ball. He catches the ball, moves both his feet. You see it happen all the time. There's no structure, there's no discipline, there's no 'How do we play this game' type of attitude. And it goes all the way through the game. To the point where now guys don't screen -- they push guys off with their hands."
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This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 11:55 am
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:54 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
why?
chemistry is a myth
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:55 am to SlowFlowPro
Well for example Rasheed Wallace's confrontational personality led to a record number of technicals and measurably hurt his team.
You think in your profession someone who wilts under pressure due to weak personality makes no difference versus someone who thrives under pressure? (Just an example)
You think in your profession someone who wilts under pressure due to weak personality makes no difference versus someone who thrives under pressure? (Just an example)
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:56 am to PortCityTiger24
quote:Autism is real
chemistry is a myth
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:56 am to PortCityTiger24
quote:ok?
Yes?
quote:I was asking outright to get clarification. I mean, in fairness, you can't really blame me for taking your post the way I did, right? Yes, you didn't flatly say you disagreed or he didn't take over, but you responded with things he did wrong, it's just not some crazy leap for me to assume that's where you were going with it.
WTF are you arguing about? I never said you were wrong about anything you said
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:57 am to PortCityTiger24
chemistry is something else that may involve personalities
but even teams with major issues of chemistry have won (see: the lakers of the 2000s)
but even teams with major issues of chemistry have won (see: the lakers of the 2000s)
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:57 am to shel311
I was just talking hoops. Not everyone is looking for an argument, m8.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:57 am to RonBurgundy
He will never be the great Michael Jordan. Lebron and his fanboys just need to go ahead and accept that and simply appreciate Lebron for what skills he does have.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:59 am to RonBurgundy
First let me get out there that I think Jodan was better than Lebron.
With that said, as for Phil's comments - it's a lot harder for one player to "takeover" in today's NBA. Illegal defense rules made it possible for players to isolate and essentially play one on one a lot in Jordan's NBA. The Warriors can put as many guys between Lebron and the basket as they want. Not even Jordan is going to consistently take over if the defense plays you that way (again they could NOT play that way against Jordan). The vast majority of the time Lebron makes the correct offensive play.
With that said, as for Phil's comments - it's a lot harder for one player to "takeover" in today's NBA. Illegal defense rules made it possible for players to isolate and essentially play one on one a lot in Jordan's NBA. The Warriors can put as many guys between Lebron and the basket as they want. Not even Jordan is going to consistently take over if the defense plays you that way (again they could NOT play that way against Jordan). The vast majority of the time Lebron makes the correct offensive play.
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