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PFF - Justin Herbert has been great, Joe Burrow has been better

Posted on 11/3/20 at 9:16 am
Posted by RLDSC FAN
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Member since Nov 2008
51577 posts
Posted on 11/3/20 at 9:16 am
This should be the next great debate for the MSB. The new Jordan v LeBron.

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@PFF

Justin Herbert has been great.

Joe Burrow has been better.

@PFF_Steve explains why ??

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Herbert has been spectacular throwing the ball down the field, and he’s owned the early-season highlight reels. He is tied for fourth in big-time throw percentage at 6.7%, and he’s done a fairly good job at avoiding turnover-worthy plays, though his poor plays have often come at inopportune times.

Those two numbers are a great baseline for success, and Herbert’s success on those game-changing throws is a big reason why he’s been hyped up as the best rookie quarterback. However, even with the high-end plays, Herbert ranks just 21st in the total percentage of positively graded plays, and he’s only 28th at avoiding negatives. So, there is no doubt that Herbert’s arm strength and downfield accuracy have been a huge asset early in his career, but he has room to improve on all of the plays in between, where he ranks below average in the NFL.

As for Burrow, his grading profile is almost the exact opposite of Herbert's. Burrow ranks just 27th in big-time throw percentage and 21st at avoiding turnover-worthy plays, both far worse than Herbert. However, Burrow has the ninth-highest rate of positives and the eighth-lowest percentage of negatives. He’s not in Herbert’s class in the extremes, but the throw-for-throw performance has been much more consistent.

The other place where the performance is polar opposite is on passes up to 20 yards versus the deep passes (passes of 20-plus yards). Burrow has the third-best PFF grade on throws up to 20 yards at 90.4, while Herbert ranks just 18th at 73.2.

However, Herbert ranks 13th league-wide on 20-plus-yard throws, while Burrow is just 27th. This matches the previous narrative about big-time throws, but once again, Burrow has the edge when it comes to the stability of his success. Short and intermediate success is much more stable than downfield passing, and those 20-plus-yard throws tend to fluctuate from year to year. This bodes well for Burrow, as he’s already mastering the portion of the field where most of his throws will occur, and the downfield passes should positively regress in his favor at some point in the future.



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Posted by castorinho
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 11/3/20 at 9:18 am to
Cock guy bat signal
Posted by PeteRose
Hall of Fame
Member since Aug 2014
16863 posts
Posted on 11/3/20 at 9:22 am to
Is this Burrow vs Herbert thing going to be the next Henry vs Fournette debate where LSU fans have to point out every time Joe has a great game? They're both very good and very young...let's just enjoy their play on the field.
This post was edited on 11/3/20 at 9:24 am
Posted by Bags of Milk
The Sunny Beaches of Canada
Member since Feb 2013
3322 posts
Posted on 11/3/20 at 9:28 am to
Why do they have to be compared to one another?

Burrow was the consensus #1 pick, it’s not like the Bengals we’re going with Herbert.

Herbert has looked great so far, it’s ok for more than one rookie QB to do well.
Posted by RLDSC FAN
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Member since Nov 2008
51577 posts
Posted on 11/3/20 at 9:30 am to
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Why do they have to be compared to one another?


It's always been this way.
Posted by jamal
Places Unknown
Member since Jan 2013
11065 posts
Posted on 11/3/20 at 9:31 am to
From what we’ve seen so far, you can’t go wrong with neither as your franchise QB. But I’ll say, I’m really impressed with Herbert just because damn near everyone thought he needed a year before he took over. But he’s been really good to start his career.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
112322 posts
Posted on 11/3/20 at 9:38 am to
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From what we’ve seen so far, you can’t go wrong with neither as your franchise QB.


I Think that’s the most wrong you can be
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115738 posts
Posted on 11/3/20 at 9:39 am to
So this will be 10 pages of that idiot trolling you guys.
Posted by whichyalnoaboutseven
Metairie
Member since Dec 2009
2027 posts
Posted on 11/3/20 at 9:44 am to
If joe was on the chargers they’d be undefeated or have 1 loss
Posted by Packer
IE, California
Member since May 2017
7803 posts
Posted on 11/3/20 at 9:44 am to
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LSU fans


Cut them some slack, this is all they have this year.
Posted by SpartyGator
Detroit Lions fan
Member since Oct 2011
75431 posts
Posted on 11/3/20 at 9:45 am to
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They're both very good and very young...let's just enjoy their play on the field.

Yep. Both are, and, will be great for a long time. No reason to make it a dick measuring contest. Burrow may need some additional support but he's been very impressive otherwise
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
112322 posts
Posted on 11/3/20 at 9:45 am to
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Cut them some slack, this is all they have this year.


Fun fact, LSU won a national title this year
Posted by Fus0623
Lafayette, LA
Member since Jan 2015
88765 posts
Posted on 11/3/20 at 9:49 am to
Call ReelCarolina
Posted by whatiknowsofar
hm?
Member since Nov 2010
21011 posts
Posted on 11/3/20 at 9:51 am to
Save for TheeRetardedCarolina everyone on this board understands Joe and Justin are two great rookie qbs. These are just more stats to dissect now that we've played a few games.
Posted by ElRoos
Member since Nov 2017
7207 posts
Posted on 11/3/20 at 9:59 am to
Legitimately surprised with how good Herbert has been so far. Thought he would be a complete bust but he's been damn good so far.

Not surprised with Joe. Dude is a gamer
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
76519 posts
Posted on 11/3/20 at 10:12 am to
GamecockAlum, assemble!
Posted by beauchristopher
new orleans
Member since Jan 2008
65944 posts
Posted on 11/3/20 at 10:20 am to
Poor ThreeCarolina (or whatever his name is)
Posted by BigBrod81
Houma
Member since Sep 2010
18962 posts
Posted on 11/3/20 at 11:00 am to
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new Jordan v LeBron.


Shouldn't this be the new Manning vs Brady though?

Or if going to do QBs from the same draft class, Elway vs Marino.
This post was edited on 11/3/20 at 11:02 am
Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
11705 posts
Posted on 11/3/20 at 11:16 am to
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If joe was on the chargers they’d be undefeated or have 1 loss



If the Chargers defense and special teams wouldn't dick around in crunch time they would have 1 loss. It is insane how many 1 possession games they have loss this season.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
21227 posts
Posted on 11/3/20 at 11:16 am to
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Is this Burrow vs Herbert thing going to be the next Henry vs Fournette debate where LSU fans have to point out every time Joe has a great game?


Of course it is. Will probably be much worse than Henry vs Fournette.

Insecure LSU fan is going to feel the need to trash both Herbert and Tua when they don't perform to "make sure" Burrow is seen as the better QB.

They shouldn't feel the need. Burrow is a really good player who won a Heisman, won a NC and had one of the best seasons ever as a college QB. Maybe the best. He's a Number 1 draft pick and is playing some awesome ball for a rookie QB.

But none of that will stop those insecure Tiger fans from doing their thing, which to be honest is actually in insult towards Burrow that they will feel the need to trash his rookie QB class "competition".
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