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re: People advocating for straight 1-12 seeding for the college football playoff

Posted on 1/8/25 at 11:04 am to
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 11:04 am to
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NFL does it at least in part to reinforce division rivalries.


How does giving a home playoff game to a division champ reinforce division rivalries?
Posted by Tiger Prawn
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 11:13 am to
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They should play the opening round at neutral site bowl games and the 2nd round on campus.


Bowls would fight it tooth and nail because then they would be less meaningful as a 1st round game than as a quarterfinal. And they'd throw a fit about having to move their game date to the weekend before Christmas instead of NYE / NYD.

Should just have first 2 rounds on campus and then have the bowls host the semi-final and national title game. 6 year rotation where each NY6 bowl gets to host 2 semi-finals and 1 national title game every 6 years, with 3 seasons of not hosting a CFP game at all. Fans would probably appreciate the reduced travel burden of having potentially 4 neutral site games like there currently is for teams that make the conference title game and then reach the national title game.
Posted by Tiger Prawn
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 11:14 am to
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A lot of people disagree. No reason for Boise to get a bye. No reason for Indiana to be in at all.

Honestly no reason for Boise, ASU or Indiana to be in.

Is that you Lane?
Posted by Indefatigable
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 11:19 am to
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How does giving a home playoff game to a division champ reinforce division rivalries?

I think the argument would be that it incentives divisional W's, thus making those games important.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 11:20 am to
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Fans would probably appreciate the reduced travel burden of having potentially 4 neutral site games like there currently is for teams that make the conference title game and then reach the national title game.


I think we're already seeing it. I saw tickets this morning for the Cotton Bowl, all in, for $140 and you've got one of the best traveling fanbases in the country in OSU and it's essentially in Texas' backyard. I'm guessing that OSU blew it out for the Rose Bowl trip and/or people are saving in anticipation of yet ANOTHER expensive road trip.

It'll Iikely be more pronounced in year 2.
This post was edited on 1/8/25 at 11:21 am
Posted by Buckeye06
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 11:26 am to
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If they don't go with conference champs as top seeds, it's just going to be SEC and B1G in the top handful of spots every year based on perception. You might even get a year with SEC in the 1-4, which is terrible optics. Where should OSU have been placed after losing to one of the worst Michigan teams ever?


The rankings going into the playoffs should have been IMO:

Oregon
UGA
ND
OSU

This new 12 team thing had the committee losing their mind a bit. If you go by objective criteria, OSU should have been ahead of both PSU and Texas

OSU had better wins, better advanced metrics and a better SoS than either of the other two. They also beat PSU head to head @PSU. OSU had 2 wins over playoff teams and neither PSU nor Texas did. All 3 teams had 2 losses

That's my thinking at least. That would have solved the problem in a way because you don't have OSU playing the #1 seed in the Rose, but who cares you have to beat good teams to win a title
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 11:41 am to
Most will disagree with your thinking. It's as simple as having 2 losses, one to a bad Michigan team in the last regular season game, and almost having a 3rd against Nebraska.

No way OSU should've been top 4 given the other strong teams.shite, you guys wanted to fire your head coach after the Michigan game.

SoS is certainly a factor, but W-L is more important (Texas lost in OT in their conf championship to the #2 team...that's not anywhere near equal to losing to Michigan, again, at home).

ETA: What are advance metrics?
This post was edited on 1/8/25 at 11:44 am
Posted by Buckeye06
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 11:52 am to
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SoS is certainly a factor, but W-L is more important (Texas lost in OT in their conf championship to the #2 team...that's not anywhere near equal to losing to Michigan, again, at home).



Texas also go blown at at home by UGA

In the 4 team era, which is really what we had for the last decade, good wins always outweighed bad losses. Rightly or not that is how the committee consistently did things

Texas and PSU both had 2 losses. so it's not as simple as that. And OSU beat PSU @PSU

Posted by Buckeye Fan 19
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 11:56 am to
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The only difference would be 1) the differences in conference strength in college, but we had very different strengths of divisions in the NFL (NFC North vs NFC South, for example), and 2) the NFL playoffs reseed after the wild card round


The weakest division in the NFL is much closer to the strongest than the Big 12/Mountain West is to the SEC/Big 10.

The other point you didn’t mention is only the top seed gets a bye. That’s a huge difference in the NFL’s formatting. It’s not like the Texans or Rams are getting one.

When you combine the only one bye per conference AND the reseeding, it’s really not a huge deal. About the only questionable aspect of it is the 4 seed in the NFL gets a home game. But that’s nowhere near as controversial as Boise State/ASU getting a bye, or the path to the semis for PSU beating SMU (at home) then Boise, while Oregon’s was Ohio State (despite Oregon winning the conference / beating PSU head-to-head).
This post was edited on 1/8/25 at 11:59 am
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 12:25 pm to
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Texas and PSU both had 2 losses


Texas lost in their conference championship game. That is not the same as a regular season game and was being treated differently by the committee, rightly so.

And their game against UGA was a one score game going into the 4th quarter. Hardly a blowout.

PSUs losses were OSU by 1 score and Oregon by 1 score.

I think anyone looking at those three teams objectively would've put OSU in the third spot, if for nothing else losing the last game of the season to freaking Michigan at home.
Posted by Big4SALTbro
Member since Jun 2019
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 12:34 pm to
Yea have said for years the reward for winning your division should be you are in the playoffs and that’s it.

Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 12:36 pm to
They can keep the conference champ auto qualifier that they have now, I don't mind that as much, but don't guarantee them a top 4 seed.

Boise being a 3 seed and ASU being a 4 seed, when they should have been 9 and 11, makes zero sense.
Posted by FLTech
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Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 12:37 pm to
Then y’all would bitch that team #13 should have been ranked #12

Rinse and repeat every season
Posted by Arkansasrazorback
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 12:40 pm to
Indiana deserved to be in more than Ole Miss did.
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
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Member since May 2014
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 12:57 pm to
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I understand it sucks that Oregon is out so quickly and probably got a bad draw. But, is it really some big travesty if they would have just played OSU one or two games later?

If they don't go with conference champs as top seeds, it's just going to be SEC and B1G in the top handful of spots every year based on perception. You might even get a year with SEC in the 1-4, which is terrible optics. Where should OSU have been placed after losing to one of the worst Michigan teams ever?


If you look at what the draw would have been, it would have likely been pretty close to what the final 8 and 4 were, anyway.

Oregon vs. IU / Boise
PSU vs. Notre Dame (likely)
Texas vs. Ohio State (very likely)
Georgia vs. Tennessee (likely)

Semis would have been something like:
Oregon vs. PSU / ND
Texas / OSU vs. Georgia

You can quibble with the process (and I agree that they should go to top 5 conference champs get an auto bid but the seeding is straight 1 - 12 from the rankings), but eventually you're going to have to prove yourself in either the quarters or semis against a legit team with a real shot.
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