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re: Penn State NCAA Sanctions thread - announcement at 8 CST
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:33 pm to genro
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:33 pm to genro
after all this time I am absolutely amazed that people still think the only people at fault are Sandusky and 1-2 others.
there is a culture problem at psu. there is no way to rectify it without dumping out the entire program and starting over.
yes it sucks.
yes there are culture problems at other universities, but right now we know psu harbored and enabled a child rapist.
Of course, the BoT didn't sit around and say "hey we need paterno happy to lets let him let others rape kids". They said "hey we need paterno happy so let him do whatever he wants without any checks and balances because those might upset him".
That kind of mindset is what is being punished and what should be.
ps. the ncaa doesnt need to follow due process because they arent enforcing laws so frick off with that bullshite
there is a culture problem at psu. there is no way to rectify it without dumping out the entire program and starting over.
yes it sucks.
yes there are culture problems at other universities, but right now we know psu harbored and enabled a child rapist.
Of course, the BoT didn't sit around and say "hey we need paterno happy to lets let him let others rape kids". They said "hey we need paterno happy so let him do whatever he wants without any checks and balances because those might upset him".
That kind of mindset is what is being punished and what should be.
ps. the ncaa doesnt need to follow due process because they arent enforcing laws so frick off with that bullshite
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:33 pm to genro
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These are guys are actually this uninformed or in denial or just have terribly misplaced priorities.
Says the poster more concerned about a damn football team being cut than the actual culprits. Go ahead though.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:33 pm to TheSexecutioner
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A privilege from who? It takes a real liberal assclown like you to make a comment like that.
Why don't you let government punish you from all your hobbies and see how you like it when we tell you they were just privileges.
Yes, it's in the 15th Amendment to the Constitution, the right to play college football.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:33 pm to Srbtiger06
But when the NCAA hands out a major punishment, it will inevitably affect the entire program from top to bottom. This case is no different.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:34 pm to Choupique19
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The NCAA has to let it be known that the football coach can not be have more authority than the school administration, AND THE LOCAL POLICE DEPT. Joe Pa kept all of the allegations out of the public's eye by intimidating his "superiors" in the school office and also the local police department, who first got wind of Sandusky's pedophilia in 1998.
I don't find any fault with other athletic programs at Penn St, but the football program should receive the death penalty.
Great post. This is the only reasoning that justifies penalties for the program.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:34 pm to BluegrassBelle
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You're assuming they're maybes because they were nailed with criminal charges.
Everyone that has been hit with criminal charges is no longer involved with the program. I'm assuming maybes because several are spouting off the 'culture' line based on some fricking janitors.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:34 pm to Gmorgan4982
Sorry, I was trying to be very unique.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:34 pm to CerealKilla
Former chair of NCAA infractions committee weighs in
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"The purpose of the NCAA is to keep a level playing field among schools and to make sure they use proper methods through scholarships and etcetera," the chair said. "This is not a case that would normally go through the process. It has nothing to do with a level playing field. It has nothing to do with whether Penn State gets advantages over other schools in recruiting or in the number of coaches or things that we normally deal with."
The former chair said as an example the NCAA didn't get involved in the murder of Yeardley Love, a women's lacrosse player at Virginia, by her former boyfriend, a male lacrosse player at Virginia.
"The real question is whether or not under the overall rules and regulations of the NCAA do those in charge take action when it doesn't fall within the scope and realm of the normal infractions process," the former chair said. "This has nothing to do with a level playing field or competition. The NCAA is a voluntary organization and the schools sign on to be bound by the NCAA rules and regulations."
"But this has nothing to do with NCAA business," the former chair said. "This is new. If they're going to deal with situations of this kind that have nothing to do with the games of who plays and so on and rather deal with members of the athletic department who act immorally or criminally then it opens up the door to other cases."
The NCAA, the chair said, didn't get involved in punishing the school for criminal behavior.
"The criminal courts are perfectly capable of handling these situations," the former chair said. "This is a new phase and a new thing. They are getting into bad behavior that are somehow connected to those who work in the athletic department.
"This is an important precedent. And it should be taken with extreme care."
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:35 pm to TheSexecutioner
quote:If my favorite hobby was done at a place that willingly and knowingly harbored pedophiles, I would have no problem with them shutting it down and I can take my hobby elsewhere.
Why don't you let government punish you from all your hobbies and see how you like it when we tell you they were just privileges.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:35 pm to TheSexecutioner
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Great post. This is the only reasoning that justifies penalties for the program.
The dead guy had influence and the police department isn't competent? That's justification?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:35 pm to Srbtiger06
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Holy shite can you read? NOBODY IS SAYING THERE SHOULD NOT BE PUNISHMENT. frick.
And your solution for a punishment was to fine the university, which they don't even have the power to do. And I'm assuming you would be on board of banning all of those involved from the NCAA, which is a given minimum.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:35 pm to Rocket
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If you can get a professional head coach, you will be a forced to be reckoned with.
You're right. Ten wins with a bunch of freshmen is the stuff of Mike Shula. Wait til we get someone REALLY good at the helm.
Until then we'll just have to settle for mowing teams down with Kiffin.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:36 pm to Srbtiger06
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Holy shite can you read? NOBODY IS SAYING THERE SHOULD NOT BE PUNISHMENT. frick.
Obviously you can't if you haven't read the NCAA bylaws listed here that would indicate Penn State could receive the lack of institutional control label and hence warrant NCAA punishment like other programs that have been hit with the same label.
Spare me the "save the innocent people" bit that's coming though. It's an assumed risk when you sign your LOI, scholarship papers, etc. It sucks but there is no alternative under the current bylaws that have been agreed to.
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:36 pm to CerealKilla
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But when the NCAA hands out a major punishment, it will inevitably affect the entire program from top to bottom. This case is no different.
No shite? First time I've read that.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:36 pm to Srbtiger06
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Yes. He was the mob boss Come on.
Come on, what? Are you unaware of the Penn State coaching situation since 2000? Joe Paterno has been asked to resign, and he has flat out told his "bosses", "Frick you, I ain't going nowhere!" The old geeser wasn't even coherent and had to sit in the press box for the games yet all of those wins counted on his record instead of the real coaches of the team. Joe Pa was the football coach at Penn St for 60 years. Are you telling me that he never coerced the local police to not pursue Penn St players involved in brawls, public drukeness, illegal drug use, etc?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:37 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Obviously you can't if you haven't read the NCAA bylaws listed here that would indicate Penn State could receive the lack of institutional control label and hence warrant NCAA punishment like other programs that have been hit with the same label.
Again, you're missing the point. Should there be penalties? Sure! Should they be as wide reaching as some are calling for? No.
At this point the NCAA is saving face.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:37 pm to Srbtiger06
quote:And if more people are shown to have been involved, then they should be removed from the program as well. We're not arguing that there should be no punishments. How do people not get this?
Everyone that has been hit with criminal charges is no longer involved with the program.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:37 pm to tigerpimpbot
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Yes, it's in the 15th Amendment to the Constitution, the right to play college football.
Yeah, right between the right for your kids to swing on a swingset in your backyard and the right to go on a jog in your neighborhood to stay in shape. I take it those are privileges, and not rights, as well?
You are so dense. Not every single right is explicitly written in the constitution. We our free to participate in hobbies.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:38 pm to Choupique19
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Are you telling me that he never coerced the local police to not pursue Penn St players involved in brawls, public drukeness, illegal drug use, etc?
Are you assuming no other big name college coach has that kind of power?
Are you assuming he actually did that?
Lots of assuming there.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:38 pm to Gmorgan4982
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We're not arguing that there should be no punishments. How do people not get this?
They're hung up on the emotional shite.
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