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re: Penn State NCAA Sanctions thread - announcement at 8 CST
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:12 pm to MOT
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:12 pm to MOT
quote:
I asked the question numerous times, if a coach commits violations and the school fires him after the NCAA finds out, would you expect the school to still receive penalties?
I would expect it because that's what the NCAA does. I wouldn't agree with it though. Matt Barkley shouldn't have been punished for Reggie Bush and Pete Carroll's actions.
Matt Barkley = Innocent & Punished
Pete Carroll = Guilty & unaffected
Reggie Bush = Guilty & unaffected
Where does that make sense?
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:13 pm to Srbtiger06
quote:
So if Nick Saban murdered someone, Bama should be put on probation?
Did multiple people in the athletic department go to great lengths to cover it up? And did he do it multiple times over almost half a century?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:13 pm to genro
For God's sake people.
It wasn't just a few people. People who knew and did nothing or covered up are still there. There is a "culture of concealment" that permeates the football program from top to bottom.
This isn't speculation. This is directly from a months-long investigation conducted by the former director of the FBI. You're arguing with the goddamn FBI.
It wasn't just a few people. People who knew and did nothing or covered up are still there. There is a "culture of concealment" that permeates the football program from top to bottom.
This isn't speculation. This is directly from a months-long investigation conducted by the former director of the FBI. You're arguing with the goddamn FBI.
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:13 pm to Srbtiger06
If the rest of the staff hides it for 15 years hell yes
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:13 pm to MontyFranklyn
quote:
Dude please tell me you are a sidewalk fan or at least one of those racist frat boys from old row.
I am a 2012 graduate of the University of Alabama, a die hard Alabama fan my whole life. You and I obviously have different views on what justice is and how it should be levied out.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:13 pm to Srbtiger06
quote:
So if Nick Saban murdered someone, Bama should be put on probation?
If it happened on campus at a football facility and our administration did everything it could to cover it up, then yes.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:14 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:
Sometimes the only way to get the point across that it won't be acceptable to cover things up on such a mass scale is to make a statement with the punishment.
I agree. A harsh punishment is in order. The only problem is that this one does NOTHING to punish the major players.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:14 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:What?
But you are saying a school can hire coaches that cheat their asses off, murder and rape people.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:14 pm to Srbtiger06
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If you think it's as easy as "oh just hire someone new they'll be just as good!" then you're probably not thinking straight.
That has nothing to do with the point, at all. According to you and others, you can basically break all the rules you want, and as long as you fire the people responsible when you get caught then nothing should happen.
quote:
I think it would be safe to say no on all 3.
Then you have your answer.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:14 pm to MontyFranklyn
1. Melt Paterno statue down into hot liquid.
2. Poor it on Sandusky ala Game of Thrones.
3. ???
4. Profit.
2. Poor it on Sandusky ala Game of Thrones.
3. ???
4. Profit.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:14 pm to genro
quote:
People who knew and did nothing or covered up are still there.
Who are these people?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:14 pm to Srbtiger06
you all know I want the Football program to DIAF. The coaches are gone but the program is still there. It is/was a football program infraction, coverup etc....yes it should be punished. Yes fire the coaches, no on keeping the program around that encouraged the culture of coverup. 2 years no football, 3 year bowl game ban and, 3 year scholarship restrictions. Restitution for victims and families, Major contributions to awareness and prevention programs from PSU and a PSU sponsored charity for victims of child rape.
ETA- The current and recently recruited football players should be allowed to transfer and be eligible to play immediately. IMO they are the only ones in the football program not responsible and no need to punish them.
ETA- The current and recently recruited football players should be allowed to transfer and be eligible to play immediately. IMO they are the only ones in the football program not responsible and no need to punish them.
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:15 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:Punishing the people who covered up the crime is a another way to get a point across. This is already being done. Why punish others?
Sometimes the only way to get the point across that it won't be acceptable to cover things up on such a mass scale is to make a statement with the punishment.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:15 pm to MontyFranklyn
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If it happened on campus at a football facility and our administration did everything it could to cover it up, then yes.
Why? It would involve ONE coach of ONE team and a couple of guys in the administration.
None of the players, none of the other teams. Why punish them?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:15 pm to Gmorgan4982
I'm done arguing with you boss. Agree to disagree 
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:16 pm to volfan30
quote:
volfan30
UT should be punished too.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:16 pm to volfan30
quote:Freeh used aliases unfortunately, but there are many. It's in a report by the fricking FBI. Why can't that be good enough for you?
Who are these people?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:16 pm to MOT
quote:
Then you have your answer.
Nice of you to quote my entire answer. Not all players were involved nor should those guys be punished. They weren't involved.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:17 pm to Srbtiger06
quote:
I agree. A harsh punishment is in order. The only problem is that this one does NOTHING to punish the major players.
Well the one major player is in jail, one is dead, and the others will probably never work in athletics again (but could still face legal action via lawsuits and etc). The NCAA could bring down punishment individually barring those people from athletics but they're only so far reaching.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:17 pm to BluegrassBelle
If Penn State gets a bowl ban (which is a given), 1/3 of the Big Ten's Leaders Division will be ineligible this year due to leadership failures.
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