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re: Penn State NCAA Sanctions thread - announcement at 8 CST
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:02 pm to ReauxlTide222
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:02 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:OK. Then why are we handing down more punishments.
Holy shite the guilty people are gone.
If you would just be honest with yourself and the rest of us and admit your thirst for more blood, that would make this a lot easier.
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:02 pm to PowerTool
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Then why did you act like it was my idea?
You said it initially. I looked it up. Browsed a few articles. Not that difficult
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I don't believe you've read anything, your just trying to be a message board hero.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:03 pm to Srbtiger06
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Penn State has since begun to right the ship.
Great. You can break whatever rules you want. When you get caught just fire a bunch of people and everything is ok.
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The NCAA is supposedly there for the student-athlete. SA's weren't involved here. Why punish them?
The NCAA has a manual with very specific bylaws. If one of those bylaws or principles wasn't adhered to they will be punished. It would be no different than any other violation/penalty case. Did every player at SMU take money? Did every player at Tulane shave points? Did everyone at USC get Reggie Bush benefits?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:03 pm to genro
Holy shite THANK YOU.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:05 pm to ReauxlTide222
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The guilty are being punished? If coaches pay players and get caught they get fired. Should those schools where that happens not get in trouble?
Yeah, haven't you heard? It might affect the local economy if the NCAA enforces its rules.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:05 pm to genro
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The worse thing that happens is the coach gets punished. The university can just move on and hire their next cheating coach.
If the coach was involved and punished then why do you want more?
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Then universities and athletic departments will just hire cheating coaches, let them cheat all they want and don't ask questions.
Then they'll be on probation and with further infractions they should then be punished. Don't let it have any bearing on the current, involved student athletes though.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:06 pm to Srbtiger06
From Twitter:
Ross Levitt @ cnnross Source: Range of sanctions "is well beyond what has been done in the past" and "far worse than closing the program for a year." # NCAA # PSU Disclaimer
Ross Levitt @ cnnross Source: Range of sanctions "is well beyond what has been done in the past" and "far worse than closing the program for a year." # NCAA # PSU Disclaimer
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:06 pm to Srbtiger06
quote:Good luck getting this question answered honestly.
If the coach was involved and punished then why do you want more?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:07 pm to Gmorgan4982
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have asked at least 10 times for a name of someone currently within the football program who deserves to be punished and all I've got are crazy leaps of logic, justification for bloodlust, and "Janitor A" and "Janitor B".
You're not getting the answer you're looking for because you live in a fricking fantasy world.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:07 pm to Gmorgan4982
We just disagree. Neither one of us will sway the other.
But you are saying a school can hire coaches that cheat their asses off, murder and rape people. But as long as they fire them the school is A OK.
But you are saying a school can hire coaches that cheat their asses off, murder and rape people. But as long as they fire them the school is A OK.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:09 pm to MOT
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Great. You can break whatever rules you want. When you get caught just fire a bunch of people and everything is ok.
If you think it's as easy as "oh just hire someone new they'll be just as good!" then you're probably not thinking straight.
It isn't about punishment and being just. It's about the hundreds of uninvolved that will be hit by it. Hammered for something they had NO involvement in.
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Did every player at SMU take money? Did every player at Tulane shave points? Did everyone at USC get Reggie Bush benefits?
I think it would be safe to say no on all 3. Why should 2010-2012 USC athletes suffer for actions from 2004 though? It was a Pete Carroll and Reggie Bush deal. They brought the punishment but it did absolutely nothing to them. That's like me getting a speeding ticket, leaving the country, and the police arresting my brother.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:09 pm to Gmorgan4982
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I have asked at least 10 times for a name of someone currently within the football program who deserves to be punished and all I've got are crazy leaps of logic, justification for bloodlust, and "Janitor A" and "Janitor B".
It happened at Penn State. Penn State is still there. I asked the question numerous times, if a coach commits violations and the school fires him after the NCAA finds out, would you expect the school to still receive penalties?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:09 pm to MOT
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MOT
There is no point in trying to argue why PSU should be punished. Some people really can't see the BIG picture of life.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:09 pm to ReauxlTide222
If they murder and rape people, yeah the school is a okay if they fire them. If they cheat, that's another matter entirely.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:10 pm to ReauxlTide222
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But you are saying a school can hire coaches that cheat their asses off, murder and rape people. But as long as they fire them the school is A OK.
So if Nick Saban murdered someone, Bama should be put on probation?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:11 pm to genro
Coaches would be far less likely to cheat if they were the ones being held responsible rather than the institutions. If coaches were barred future employment in the event of serious infractions, they would be much less likely to commit infractions than they are now.
As it stands, coaches can cut corners and plead ignorance and the institution will be punished. If the coaches were solely responsible for their own actions, they would be forced to straighten up.
As it stands, coaches can cut corners and plead ignorance and the institution will be punished. If the coaches were solely responsible for their own actions, they would be forced to straighten up.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:11 pm to genro
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The harshest smackdown is the death penalty. It's actually been given out 5 times
Kentucky basketball, 1952-53
SWLA (now UL-Lafayette) basketball, 1973-75
SMU football, 1987-88
Morehouse College men's soccer, 2004-05
MacMurray College men's tennis, 2005–07
Why do people only list Kentucky Basketball as the school punished? Also back then it wasn't called the death penalty.
There was like 6 schools involved in the "CCNY Point shaving scandal" and it wasn't even named after UK. 3 other schools were hit harder than UK.
You also left off Baylor's "1/2 death penalty" that the NCAA gave them. They were the 1st school to receive it.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:11 pm to Gmorgan4982
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Good luck getting this question answered honestly.
Because majority of the time in cover ups of this scale, extending back for several decades, other people in the athletic department know about it. Not much of this scale goes on in athletic departments that multiple people don't have some knowledge of and I can say that having worked in an AD.
Sometimes the only way to get the point across that it won't be acceptable to cover things up on such a mass scale is to make a statement with the punishment.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:11 pm to RollTide1987
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RollTide1987
Dude please tell me you are a sidewalk fan or at least one of those racist frat boys from old row.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:12 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Some people really can't see the BIG picture of life.
I don't think you see the bigger picture, my friend. All you see is blood and retribution. What I see are tens of thousands of people who are about to be hurt financially, people who have never set foot on campus, due to these impending NCAA penalties. But you are fine with that because you justify it as being Penn State's fault that those people are financially ruined and being thrown out of their houses and apartments. Just so long as you get a warm, fuzzy feeling in your chest over "justice being served," you couldn't give a shite less about how this will impact those who had absolutely nothing to do with this whole mess.
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