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re: Penn State NCAA Sanctions thread - announcement at 8 CST
Posted on 7/22/12 at 1:12 pm to Tolbert1906
Posted on 7/22/12 at 1:12 pm to Tolbert1906
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I'm hearing 5 year postseason ban, loss of 15 schollies per year for 5 years, 10 years on probation, "recruiting limitations" (whatever that means), no wins vacated, no tv penalties. Certain psu faculty will receive lifetime bans from coaching in the NCAA. Psu getting hit with lack of institutional control
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 1:12 pm to Gmorgan4982
The Penn State Administration ALLOWED Paterno to have the power that he did. He was basically the ring master in keeping the whole thing hush. Therefore, the whole university deserves sanctions.
What is so hard to understand? If this whole fiacso doesn't prove "lack of institutional control," I don't know what does.
What is so hard to understand? If this whole fiacso doesn't prove "lack of institutional control," I don't know what does.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 1:12 pm to CountryVolFan
Some good material on their scout board. There's a thread where alumni want to raise legal funds to fight back against the Freeh report and prove innocence. 
Eta.. here's the thread. Can't believe some of the shite I've been reading there.
Eta.. here's the thread. Can't believe some of the shite I've been reading there.
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 7/22/12 at 1:14 pm to Tolbert1906
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I'm hearing 5 year postseason ban, loss of 15 schollies per year for 5 years, 10 years on probation, "recruiting limitations" (whatever that means), no wins vacated, no tv penalties. Certain psu faculty will receive lifetime bans from coaching in the NCAA. Psu getting hit with lack of institutional control.
The same thing was posted on Rivals, although they also said Penn State has to forfeit all Big Ten revenue and donate it to anti-bully charities. They also cannot play any "big" non-conference opponents for a number of years. I'll believe all that when I see it.
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 7/22/12 at 1:14 pm to jacks40
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Don't know why people can't see that getting the NCAA involved in this situation is a pandora's box of trouble.
Setting precedent that the NCAA can come into an institution using vague moral/standard rules and wreck shite is a bad idea.
This situation has a clear right and wrong, but the NCAA is a clown organization. They aren't going to use this power once and never use it again.
When they do finally go back and pick up this broad sword to hack away at some other University it isn't going to be such a black and white issue.
Well said.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 1:14 pm to MontyFranklyn
While i agree that this is a legal situation and not a football situation penalties are good for public relations. It's clear that if the NCAA does nothing it looks bad. The NCAA gives hard penalties penn states goes through them, civil suits gets settled, people through the legal system get punished, and five years from now it's over and Penn State can go forward. I doubt this will be as bad as SMU in the long run and it won't lead to the end of the big ten, but in five years Penn State will be a contender and fill the stadium.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 1:15 pm to Srbtiger06
quote:I have no idea what you're talking about. I didn't say anything about the academic side. You keep giving me this argument of "PSU Football may be guilty, but if other people are guilty do you wanna punish them too?" Yes. What is your point?
So for 30-40 years only the football department and a handful of others knew? NOBODY on the academic side? That's a large assumption.
quote:Allowing someone to transfer penalty-free to a program where children weren't routinely raped? I don't really consider that "taking them down."
Seems more like a shitty person problem than a student-athlete problem. Why take them down?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 1:18 pm to Gmorgan4982
If hiding a child rapist inside your football department...giving him a means to rape the kids...and never telling on him doesn't call for the NCAA to punish your football program...what does?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 1:19 pm to Daigeaux
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The Penn State Administration ALLOWED Paterno to have the power that he did.
Agreed.
quote:
He was basically the ring master in keeping the whole thing hush.
Eh...it's tough to say he was the ring master when so many others knew as well. He was involved though. That's semantics at this point though.
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Therefore, the whole university deserves sanctions.
No, they don't. Feel free to explain why the whole university deserves punishment though.
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What is so hard to understand?
That you're punishing students and student-athletes AND employees who probably had no idea about the ordeal. Some who had little to no involvement with the AD at all.
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If this whole fiacso doesn't prove "lack of institutional control," I don't know what does.
National Collegiate Athletics Association. What power do they have over the entire university?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 1:21 pm to genro
This is a football situation because as a NCAA member institution you are to conduct yourself under the moral code set by the NCAA. Being that all of this is surrounded by the fact that football staff and athletic administrators covered it up, it gives grounds for the NCAA to take action. Point blank!
Posted on 7/22/12 at 1:22 pm to loweralabamatrojan
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My better idea is to keep the NCAA in its own jurisdiction,
ncaa members are the jurisdiction of the ncaa and penn state is a member of the ncaa. i think you have some problem with understanding that. members of ALL associations have rules they have to abide by and penn state is no exception to that. if you think the ncaa has NO JURISDICTION to punish penn state there is little i or anyone on here can do. you choose your desire over the facts. the law will punish the individuals that are proved to have broken the law; the courts will financially punish the institution for negligence and the ncaa will punish the football program for breaking their rules which are mentioned in this thread on several posts. doesn't matter if you like it or agree with it; they have the authority, they have the jurisdiction and they will use it. it's up to the members of the ncaa (the colleges) to judge if they want to keep the rules. i, for one, think we need those rules, esp in today's environment where people feel free to break laws and think they shouldn't be punished for it.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 1:22 pm to Srbtiger06
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Why would it be losing accreditation?
Google "penn state" + "Clery Act."
Serious stuff that came to light as a result of the scandal.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 1:23 pm to genro
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I have no idea what you're talking about. I didn't say anything about the academic side.
A few people within the football program and AD knew and you're calling to bring down the whole AD. Why shouldn't that logic apply to the entire university if others outside of the AD knew?
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What is your point?
You're bringing down a department for the actions of a relative few because it sounds good. If others within the administration knew, by your logic, you'd pull down those departments as well. Closing down the engineering school isn't as sexy though is it?
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Allowing someone to transfer penalty-free to a program where children weren't routinely raped? I don't really consider that "taking them down."
You're screwing with a young adult's life for something they didn't do. Why?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 1:23 pm to Daigeaux
quote:That's quite a leap in logic.
The Penn State Administration ALLOWED Paterno to have the power that he did. He was basically the ring master in keeping the whole thing hush. Therefore, the whole university deserves sanctions.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 1:24 pm to PowerTool
You can't shut the football program down. It would absolutely decimate local businesses that make their profits during the season.
People need to look at the bigger picture
People need to look at the bigger picture
Posted on 7/22/12 at 1:24 pm to MontyFranklyn
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This is a football situation because as a NCAA member institution you are to conduct yourself under the moral code set by the NCAA. Being that all of this is surrounded by the fact that football staff and athletic administrators covered it up, it gives grounds for the NCAA to take action. Point blank!
But they aren't just taking action, Monty. If you believe the rumors coming out of the NCAA they are set to DESTROY the Penn State program. They aren't just going to punish them, they are going to DESTROY them. That goes beyond football and Penn State altogether. If they hammer them as hard as we think they will, the entire city of College Station is going to suffer economically. That city thrives on football and if you take away its relevance businesses will go under and people will lose their jobs. Before Joe Paterno, Penn State was nothing. If you take away the relevance of what made that university then you destroy more than just an athletic program, you destroy the livelihoods of people who may have never set foot on that campus.
But we feel better about ourselves because justice has been served and couldn't care less about the state-wide ramifications these penalties may have.
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 7/22/12 at 1:24 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:Who currently in the football program hid a child rapist? Any names of these people?
If hiding a child rapist inside your football department...giving him a means to rape the kids...and never telling on him doesn't call for the NCAA to punish your football program...what does?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 1:25 pm to Gmorgan4982
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One source told Yahoo! Sports Emmert’s sanctions will include a “multiple-year” bowl ban and “crippling” scholarship losses.
LINK
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 7/22/12 at 1:25 pm to LSU GrandDad
PSU "The university that Joe Paterno helped destroyed"
Posted on 7/22/12 at 1:25 pm to PowerTool
quote:
Google "penn state" + "Clery Act."
Serious stuff that came to light as a result of the scandal.
Punish 9,000 employees and 95,000 students.
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