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re: Penn State NCAA Sanctions thread - announcement at 8 CST
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:56 pm to saintsfan22
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:56 pm to saintsfan22
Players don't have to leave, sf22
That is the beauty of personal choice
That is the beauty of personal choice
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:56 pm to genro
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No, I haven't. The entire culture of the football program.
The Freeh Report has claims of others within the university being involved as well though. If it's your gospel then live by it and shut the whole damn university down.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:58 pm to vl100butch
Butch, should the other athletic programs that rely on football funding be hurt by a death penalty ruling?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:58 pm to Srbtiger06
Since it's a public university, shut the entire state down. People can move to other states.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:58 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Doesn't the NCAA have the right to punish any member institution on moral grounds? Doesn't every member institution have a moral code it must live up to?
No question in my mind the NCAA can decide which institution are members and which are not.
They should kick them out. They are institutional felons IMHO.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:59 pm to genro
Happy Valley no more 
The site where Joe Paterno's statue once stood outside Beaver Stadium in State College, Pa. on Sunday, July 22, 2012. Christopher Weddle, Centre Daily Times
The site where Joe Paterno's statue once stood outside Beaver Stadium in State College, Pa. on Sunday, July 22, 2012. Christopher Weddle, Centre Daily Times
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:59 pm to loweralabamatrojan
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My better idea is to keep the NCAA in its own jurisdiction, and let the law handle criminality.
It ain't rocket science.
+1
Don't know why people can't see that getting the NCAA involved in this situation is a pandora's box of trouble.
Setting precedent that the NCAA can come into an institution using vague moral/standard rules and wreck shite is a bad idea.
This situation has a clear right and wrong, but the NCAA is a clown organization. They aren't going to use this power once and never use it again.
When they do finally go back and pick up this broad sword to hack away at some other University it isn't going to be such a black and white issue.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:59 pm to Srbtiger06
quote:The Freeh report doesn't say this is due to a culture that permeated the entire university. It says this is a culture that permeated the football program.
The Freeh Report has claims of others within the university being involved as well though. If it's your gospel then live by it and shut the whole damn university down.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 1:00 pm to Srbtiger06
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I'm fairly certain these 'other people' aren't just confined to the football program so why stop there?
The university as a whole is currently in danger of losing its accreditation. You obviously haven't been paying much attention to this story, so why are you arguing so hard? If you really care about the topic, do some research before you make another flippant post insulting the intelligence of anyone who happens to disagree with you.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 1:00 pm to jacks40
quote:Totally agree. The NCAA doesn't need to get any bigger than it already is.
Setting precedent that the NCAA can come into an institution using vague moral/standard rules and wreck shite is a bad idea.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 1:01 pm to Gmorgan4982
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The NCAA doesn't need to get any bigger than it already is.
I tend to agree on that point. I wish that the university or the state would do something drastic to reform from within, but the last few weeks have taught us that those internal controls simply do not exist at Penn State.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 1:01 pm to saintsfan22
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This situation ain't ever happening again NCAA sanctions or not.
And if it did happen again, would the NCAA sanctions really work as a deterent?
"you know I was about to break laws, obstruct justice, and risk major jail time and lawsuits to cover this up, but I really don't want to get Arizona St. NCAA sanctions."
Posted on 7/22/12 at 1:02 pm to genro
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The Freeh report doesn't say this is due to a culture that permeated the entire university. It says this is a culture that permeated the football program.
Even giving you the benefit of the doubt on that one, you're punishing the entire AD in 2012 based on actions that took place in 2002 and a cover-up that was over 10 years and confined to a small handful of people (relative to the entire scope of the AD).
On top of that, what is the 'culture' within the football program? What are the signs of this 'culture'?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 1:03 pm to PowerTool
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The university as a whole is currently in danger of losing its accreditation.
Why would it be losing accreditation?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 1:04 pm to Srbtiger06
quote:We'll have to wait for the media to make it up and tell us.
On top of that, what is the 'culture' within the football program? What are the signs of this 'culture'?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 1:05 pm to TemplarTheSaint
I'm hearing 5 year postseason ban, loss of 15 schollies per year for 5 years, 10 years on probation, "recruiting limitations" (whatever that means), no wins vacated, no tv penalties. Certain psu faculty will receive lifetime bans from coaching in the NCAA. Psu getting hit with lack of institutional control.
NCAA also looking into unrelated, but potentially significant recruiting violations at psu. Looking heavily into Miami as well.
NCAA also looking into unrelated, but potentially significant recruiting violations at psu. Looking heavily into Miami as well.
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 7/22/12 at 1:08 pm to Srbtiger06
quote:The abuse took place from the 1970s to the 2000s. That's a long time for you to sit there and say this isn't a cultural problem and it's too late to punish them now. For God's sake, most of Penn State's glorious history is during this time. They've claimed to be squeaky-clean for 3 decades and it turns out they were enabling rapists. Of course they should punished now.
Even giving you the benefit of the doubt on that one, you're punishing the entire AD in 2012 based on actions that took place in 2002 and a cover-up that was over 10 years and confined to a small handful of people (relative to the entire scope of the AD).
quote:One of the biggest signs is witnessing or hearing about the anal rape of a young boy and doing nothing, which is what many people did.
On top of that, what is the 'culture' within the football program? What are the signs of this 'culture'?
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 7/22/12 at 1:10 pm to Tolbert1906
Link?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 1:10 pm to jacks40
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And if it did happen again, would the NCAA sanctions really work as a deterent?
"you know I was about to break laws, obstruct justice, and risk major jail time and lawsuits to cover this up, but I really don't want to get Arizona St. NCAA sanctions."
Again, the punishment is not for the crime but for the cover up of the crime and the lengths they took to do so. If another program in the future is faced with similar situations im sure they will, without a doubt, turn the person in.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 1:11 pm to genro
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The abuse took place from the 1970s to the 2000s. That's a long time for you to sit there and say this isn't a cultural problem and it's too late to punish them now. For God's sake, most of Penn State's glorious history is during this time. They don't deserve it.
So for 30-40 years only the football department and a handful of others knew? NOBODY on the academic side? That's a large assumption.
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One of the biggest signs is witnessing or hearing about the anal rape of a young boy and doing nothing, which is what many people did.
Seems more like a shitty person problem than a student-athlete problem. Why take them down?
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