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re: Penn State NCAA Sanctions thread - announcement at 8 CST
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:46 pm to ToesOnTheNose213
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:46 pm to ToesOnTheNose213
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The penalties, however, are considered to be so harsh that the death penalty may have been preferable, the source said.
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:47 pm to Srbtiger06
quote:The culture of the football program, which is separate from the rest of the university.
You've said it's an entire culture all the way down to two random janitors. If we're using your speculative logic here then you would have to strongly consider replacing everyone. You know, since they're in the 'culture' and all.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:47 pm to Rouge
quote:Well then find these people and punish them through the legal system. Why is there an obsession with punishing people who did not cover up anything?
Also, I would be floored if the only people that knew were those that have been prosecuted and JoePa. Our society as taught us that people aren't very good at keeping secrets
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:48 pm to genro
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The culture of the football program, which is separate from the rest of the university.
The President is only president of the football program?
The janitors were employed solely by the football program? JANITORS knew but nobody else outside of football did?
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Freeh has already told us, in no uncertain terms, that other people knew. These apologists just don't want to believe it.
I'm fairly certain these 'other people' aren't just confined to the football program so why stop there?
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:49 pm to MStreetTiger
quote:I don't know what you're trying to argue here.
Would a coverup occur because of the other sports? I doubt it.
The university as a whole is much more important than the football program or any other sport.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:49 pm to Srbtiger06
quote:You know good and damn well the President of a football school is generally involved with the football program, unlike, say, a philosophy professor.
The President is only president of the football program?
quote:Yes, I believe so.
The janitors were employed solely by the football program?
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:50 pm to genro
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These apologists just don't want to believe it.
There is a difference between someone being an "apologist" and someone not wanting to see mob rule take over the way the NCAA hands out penalties to individual schools.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:50 pm to Gmorgan4982
The only question that matters is "does the NCAA have grounds for punishment" in this case, did Penn St violate NCAA bylaws and principles? The fact that the people involved are gone has nothing to do with it. The NCAA deals with institutions, not individuals.
Or would we expect there to be no penalties for buying players as long as the school fired the coach in question once they got caught?
Or would we expect there to be no penalties for buying players as long as the school fired the coach in question once they got caught?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:50 pm to genro
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You know good and damn well the President of a football school is generally involved with the football program, unlike, say, a philosophy professor.
I'm sure he is but you're making it sound like he wasn't involved in anything else. It's not JUST the football program anymore is it?
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Yes.
Do you HONESTLY believe this whole ordeal was confined to only the football program? That NOBODY else knew outside of those in the football program?
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:51 pm to Gmorgan4982
If you allows players to transfer without penalty, who is being punished by the sanctions?
The players can leave at their own will and future players can attend psu with full knowledge of what they are getting themselves into.
The players can leave at their own will and future players can attend psu with full knowledge of what they are getting themselves into.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:52 pm to genro
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You know good and damn well the President of a football school is generally involved with the football program, unlike, say, a philosophy professor.
I would like to think that a university president would be involved in all aspects of the university and not just the athletic department.
And as for the janitors, they were employees of Penn State University, not employees of Penn State Football.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:52 pm to loweralabamatrojan
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My better idea is to keep the NCAA in its own jurisdiction, and let the law handle criminality.
NCAA does not have jurisdiction in this arena is your argument? REALLY?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:53 pm to Srbtiger06
quote:When did I say that? And what's your point? If other people outside the program are involved, punish them too.
Do you HONESTLY believe this whole ordeal was confined to only the football program? That NOBODY else knew outside of those in the football program?
But we know for a fact the football program is involved, so let's start with that.
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:53 pm to Rouge
quote:This has already been answered.
If you allows players to transfer without penalty, who is being punished by the sanctions?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:53 pm to Rouge
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If you allows players to transfer without penalty, who is being punished by the sanctions?
The players can leave at their own will and future players can attend psu with full knowledge of what they are getting themselves into.
Players get punished because they have to leave. The players situation at school X likely won't be as good as at Penn. St. be it on depth chart, academic-wise, exposure, etc.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:54 pm to genro
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When did I say that? And what's your point? If other people outside the program are involved, punish them too.
You've been harping on the Freeh Report saying it's an entire culture of the university. You can't cherry pick parts.
By your logic, if others outside of the program knew then why not bring the whole thing down? I mean you're punishing the swim team already for actions of the football team.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:55 pm to Gmorgan4982
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I don't know what you're trying to argue here.
:brickwall:
I must not be making sense today. And here I'm not limited to 140 characters.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:55 pm to genro
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You know good and damn well the President of a football school is generally involved with the football program, unlike, say, a philosophy professor.
That is THE whole point of the LOIC argument here. Football took precedent over what was good for the University. The fact this occurred meant there was a total lack of checks and balances, and power was concentrated. THAT is the basis for this entire argument.
Have I missed something here?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:55 pm to Srbtiger06
quote:No, I haven't. The entire culture of the football program.
You've been harping on the Freeh Report saying it's an entire culture of the university.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:56 pm to Gmorgan4982
I honestly don't think we've heard everything yet...and there are more bombshells waiting to be exposed...
that being said, I think there is enough evidence already of lack of institutional control to warrant the death penalty....
that being said, I think there is enough evidence already of lack of institutional control to warrant the death penalty....
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