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re: Penn State NCAA Sanctions thread - announcement at 8 CST

Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:32 pm to
Posted by PowerTool
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:32 pm to
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Two names I have now are Janitor A and Janitor B. And Freeh makes it clear this is a cultural problem that included many people, not just Sandusky and the 4 guys at the top.


Exactly.
Posted by Srbtiger06
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:33 pm to
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Most places are extremely intolerant of child rapists. However, Penn State Football is a haven for a child rapist. Take away Penn State Football, you take away a pedophile's safe haven.


So by removing an entity...not infrastructure, not the accused...but a program, you'll stop pedophilia? Really?
Posted by Gmorgan4982
Member since May 2005
101750 posts
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:36 pm to
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So by removing an entity...not infrastructure, not the accused...but a program, you'll stop pedophilia? Really?
It doesn't work that way.
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 12:37 pm
Posted by MontyFranklyn
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Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:37 pm to
Doesn't the NCAA have the right to punish any member institution on moral grounds? Doesn't every member institution have a moral code it must live up to?
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:39 pm to
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So by removing an entity...not infrastructure, not the accused...but a program, you'll stop pedophilia? Really?
I guess they could get rid of everyone involved whatsoever in the program. And I mean everyone - from the coaches, administration to the receptionists, highly involved boosters down to the assistant equipment manager. EVERYONE. Then you put a panel that is completely independent of Penn State in charge of hiring new people. If everything was thorough and done the right way, that might be acceptable.
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 12:42 pm
Posted by piggilicious
Member since Jan 2011
37310 posts
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:39 pm to
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So by removing an entity...not infrastructure, not the accused...but a program, you'll stop pedophilia? Really?


No but you do set a precedent that ignoring or covering up any such disgusting acts will get you hammered.

Posted by loweralabamatrojan
Lower Alabama
Member since Oct 2006
13263 posts
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:40 pm to
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so what's your better idea?

My better idea is to keep the NCAA in its own jurisdiction, and let the law handle criminality.

It ain't rocket science.
Posted by Srbtiger06
Member since Apr 2006
29328 posts
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:41 pm to
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I guess they could get rid of everyone involved in the program. And I mean everyone - from the coaches and administration down to the assistant equipment manager. Then you put a panel that is completely independent of Penn State in charge of hiring new people. If everything was thorough and done the right way, that might be acceptable.


How do you know none of those people would engage in pedophilia and/or harbor other predators? Do you replace professors? Graduate assistants? The secretary in Arts & Science?

Do you replace all nearly 9,000 employees (that's ONLY those involved with academics)?
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 12:43 pm
Posted by Gmorgan4982
Member since May 2005
101750 posts
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:42 pm to
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No but you do set a precedent that ignoring or covering up any such disgusting acts will get you hammered.
Who still involved with the football program covered anything up?
Posted by WaveHog
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Member since May 2008
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:42 pm to
This is in the ncaa jurisdiction.
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
62650 posts
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:43 pm to
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How do you know none of those people would engage in pedophilia and/or harbor other predators?
We don't. But we know the last people certainly did harbor predators.
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Do you replace professors? Graduate assistants? The secretary in Arts & Science?
Are they knowingly harboring predators?
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 12:45 pm
Posted by MStreetTiger
Dallas
Member since Dec 2007
12403 posts
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:44 pm to
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The people currently with the football program had zero to do with these horrible events. If you're going to hurt them, then why not hurt the other sports?


Would a coverup occur because of the other sports? I doubt it.

The university as a whole is much more important than the football program or any other sport.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
24300 posts
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:44 pm to
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My better idea is to keep the NCAA in its own jurisdiction, and let the law handle criminality.

It ain't rocket science.

Does USC have another major scandal brewing? You sure don't won't PSU to get the hammer. Are you scared the NCAA will find out something about USC that you feel should only be handled by the justice system?
Posted by Rouge
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Member since Oct 2004
138645 posts
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:44 pm to
Too many people in other sports would be effected by shutting down football program....from a financial standpoint

The program will be crippled because the program was the reason for the cover-up.

Also, I would be floored if the only people that knew were those that have been prosecuted and JoePa. Our society as taught us that people aren't very good at keeping secrets
Posted by saintsfan22
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Member since May 2006
80603 posts
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:44 pm to
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No but you do set a precedent that ignoring or covering up any such disgusting acts will get you hammered.


This situation ain't ever happening again NCAA sanctions or not.
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 12:47 pm
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:44 pm to
Editted that post. The Ncaa currently is the one who recieves the tax exemption. As for me starting the league, I don't have the resources to do so, yet. As for the stadiums, that would be up to the schools. The players wouldn't be employees due to Title 9. The stadiums could be leased but I doubt many schools probably would want to do business with someone who took their biggest market ingredient in the athletes.
Posted by Srbtiger06
Member since Apr 2006
29328 posts
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:44 pm to
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Are they harboring predators?


You've said it's an entire culture all the way down to two random janitors. If we're using your speculative logic here then you would have to strongly consider replacing everyone. You know, since they're in the 'culture' and all.
Posted by WaveHog
Austin, TX
Member since May 2008
6968 posts
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:44 pm to
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Who still involved with the football program covered anything up?


Why does it matter?
Posted by ToesOnTheNose213
The present
Member since Oct 2007
2028 posts
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:45 pm to
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If ever a program was running out of control it was USC. The fact they were not given the death penalty was because the NCAA did not have subpoena authority to question under oath the boosters, agents, and others. Honestly, USC got off easy. Deal with it.



Is this too long for sig quote? Because, my God man, this is just awesome.
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
62650 posts
Posted on 7/22/12 at 12:46 pm to
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Also, I would be floored if the only people that knew were those that have been prosecuted and JoePa.
Freeh has already told us, in no uncertain terms, that other people knew. These apologists just don't want to believe it.
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