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re: Payton Award winning Eastern Washington QB Vernon Adams to transfer to Oregon?
Posted on 2/9/15 at 3:23 pm to VerlanderBEAST
Posted on 2/9/15 at 3:23 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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4-3 DT.
You're gonna put a 6-9 guy in the interior of an NFL defensive line?
You might be the best troll on this site over guys like runningtiger, Rec, and dukke v. That says a lot.
Or your just a complete idiot. That's what make it so great.
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Posted on 2/9/15 at 3:24 pm to KosmoCramer
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You're gonna put a 6-9 guy in the interior of an NFL defensive line? You might be the best troll on this site over guys like runningtiger, Rec, and dukke v. That says a lot. Or your just a complete idiot. That's what make it so great.
He's moved up to #10 on a few draft boards. I doubt he will play in a 4-3 but he's certainly not an OLB. Kid could carry 320.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 3:28 pm to bisonduck
He's not playing in the interior that's for damn sure.
He will play DE in a 3-4 most likely. His height is an advantage when he plays behind guys that are extremely solid in gap assignments unlike how Oregon was vs Ohio State.
Everyone in the NFL is gap committed obviously.
I was only saying OLB in the sense that he could stand up and rush from anywhere, he has that size.
He will play DE in a 3-4 most likely. His height is an advantage when he plays behind guys that are extremely solid in gap assignments unlike how Oregon was vs Ohio State.
Everyone in the NFL is gap committed obviously.
I was only saying OLB in the sense that he could stand up and rush from anywhere, he has that size.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 3:32 pm to bisonduck
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They reevaluated and there are changes coming. We are going to multiple fronts now. You just can't be in a 3-4 base all the time because you simply can't rely on 3 DL commanding two blockers no matter how well you recruit. There is no margin. Even Bama flexes their fronts.
Yeah you can't pigeon hole yourself, without a doubt. You need options. Ohio State has even been using a 3-3-5 in passing downs running an aggressive cover 4 that has been working really well because we can bring pressure from anywhere.
I hope Oregon can continue the success they had in the power run game. They definitely showed flashes of it and it was formidible but obviously isn't quite there yet.
I think Mark Helfrich is a hell of a guy and a great coach. Adams will be a great fit.
This post was edited on 2/9/15 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 2/9/15 at 3:32 pm to bisonduck
quote:That'll help, but I think the mentality also needs to change. I think the same about Auburn, which is why I'm ecstatic that Gus Malzahn brought in Will Muschamp to coach the defense.
We are going to give more 4-3 looks on defense...and our current class included Okun 340 pounds, Lemieux 315, Throckmorton and Hanson at 285 on the oline. The DL got Kaumatule 295, Carlberg 281, Manu 298, and Baker 290.
Frost wants a power spread.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 3:33 pm to KosmoCramer
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You're gonna put a 6-9 guy in the interior of an NFL defensive line?
You might be the best troll on this site over guys like runningtiger, Rec, and dukke v. That says a lot.
Or your just a complete idiot. That's what make it so great.
The chances of him playing DT are a 10000000x greater than him playing OLB dummy
Posted on 2/9/15 at 3:36 pm to KosmoCramer
quote:He's not athletic enough to play in space or without his hand on the ground.quote:He is a prototypical NFL OLB/DE or rush end.
Armstead is a 290 lb first round NFL talent.
IMO, him staying at offensive tackle would have benefited him best career wise.
Had Auburn been able to allow his older brother to transfer in, Arik Armstead would have been playing in orange and blue.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 3:38 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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The chances of him playing DT are a 10000000x greater than him playing OLB dumm
I was talking about as an edge rusher, idiot. 3-4 defenses often have OLBs that put a hand down or stand up and rush from any and all gaps.
He would obviously play 3-4 DE as well as I said.
You're reading comprehension is awful and you are not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
Keep calm, troll on.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 4:04 pm to TTsTowel
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Had Auburn been able to allow his older brother to transfer in, Arik Armstead would have been playing in orange and blue.
Thats a pretty big if given that nobody has cleared Armand to play since then...
and Cosmo, Arik is considered the prototype of a 5-tech in a 3-4 and perhaps a 3-tech in a 4-3... not a DE or OLB
Posted on 2/9/15 at 4:05 pm to bengri33
Back to topic... Vernon Adams 
Posted on 2/9/15 at 4:09 pm to KosmoCramer
quote:Don't try and back track you said he was the prototypical OLB/DE. Meaning you thought he was a Demarcus Ware, Shawne Merriman player. 0% chance he plays that position you dummy. FYI most 3-4 DEs play DT when the team goes to an even front
I was talking about as an edge rusher, idiot. 3-4 defenses often have OLBs that put a hand down or stand up and rush from any and all gaps
He would obviously play 3-4 DE as well as I said.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 5:06 pm to TTsTowel
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IMO, him staying at offensive tackle would have benefited him best career wise.
He has risen to top 10 pick at DE. I would've thought the same thing but people seem to be enamored by his tape. Armstead probably never would've left the left coast. His family needs money and is part of the reason he had a 3 year plan from inception. He was going to CAL and considered UW.
As for Vernon, he is a very good stop gap to 2016. I think he gives us the real possibility of getting to 11 wins. I never saw 2015 as a title contending year. There will be some youth on the oline (although it's going to be much better than I thought due to all the injuries). However, the linebacking core will be 4 seniors and some really good up and comers. The front 7 will take a step forward even with the loss of Armstead.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 5:10 pm to TTsTowel
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That'll help, but I think the mentality also needs to change.
I do think we need to shift from playing bend but don't break but we also need some natural born hitters and not just cats with elite athleticism. We've had some prodigious athletes like Armstead, Jordan, and Ifo but the defense lacks the killer instinct.
Hopefully guys like Fotu will help there.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 5:57 pm to bengri33
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5-tech in a 3-4 and perhaps a 3-tech in a 4-3... not a DE or OLB
So you think he'll play inside in the NFL?
P.S. A 5-tech in a 3-4 is a DE.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 6:15 pm to KosmoCramer
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So you think he'll play inside in the NFL?
P.S. A 5-tech in a 3-4 is a DE.
Yeah his biggest strength is gap-control, but he can get solid penetration with his bullrush. He's certainly not a speed rush type so a smaller pass-rush specialist will almost certainly play beside or behind him
Posted on 2/9/15 at 6:18 pm to bengri33
He will be a defensive end in a 3-4, and also stand up in cases and maybe even drop into a zone blitz. He doesn't have the leverage to play a 1 or 3 tech in the NFL.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 6:26 pm to KosmoCramer
This is why he's a weird prospect. His frame says DE. How he plays seems to say 3-tech in a 4-3, outside of his pad-level. It'll see how he bulks up, as he was a fairly slender 300lbs.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 6:31 pm to bengri33
We had DE playing 1tech at Ohio State last year (Adulphus Washington) but he will probably move back outside to DE. He was starting there purely for necessity. But it wasn't optimal and wouldn't happen in the NFL.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 6:57 pm to KosmoCramer
quote:all true
You got abused up front. If you don't think your defensive linemen were a major issue I don't know what to tell you. In a 3-4, DLmen aren't necessarily supposed to make the tackles but they need to stand their ground and gobble up offensive linemen. Ohio State's OL was able to consistently get to the second level at will against an undersized DT (who got run over by our quarterback) and was able to exploit tall, fast but undersized DEs. To act like Armstead, et al weren't an issue is disingenuous.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 7:17 pm to baybeefeetz
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all true
Armstead graded out at a +2.6 on PFF. He did about as good as you can from a 3-4 DE. Balducci at NT graded out positively on runs. Overall the starters on the DL were not our problem. We shite the bed at linebacker plain and simple. I have no idea why we keyed so heavily on the jet sweep as well. We shifted to it every time and it was clear that Urban was running Elliot.
Oregon's front seven will be improved but to what degree is unknown. It will be 4 senior LBs but the same one that were playing in the championship game. We really need the players with pedigree in Mattingly, Prevot, Swain and Hollins to push those seniors and maybe relinquish them to the twos.
Oregon is also moving players from offense to defense, per Helfrich on NSD. They simply need to get better.
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