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re: Paul Skenes continues to dominate AAA - 6IP, 7Ks, 4H, 1BB as his ERA falls to 0.39
Posted on 5/1/24 at 7:11 am to imAMAZING
Posted on 5/1/24 at 7:11 am to imAMAZING
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Ive seen the pirates pitching this year..and he might already be their best pitcher.
Maybe, but they also have a guy named Jared Jones who's fastball and slider have been rating in top 5 in MLB this year.
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Posted on 5/1/24 at 7:23 am to Corinthians420
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Trying to make sure he doesn't get to count this year as service time.
This has nothing to do with it. They have him for an extra year no matter when he gets called up now
This post was edited on 5/1/24 at 7:26 am
Posted on 5/1/24 at 8:25 am to Schmelly
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This has nothing to do with it. They have him for an extra year no matter when he gets called up now
That's 100% not true. The top two finishers for Rookie of the Year are automatically awarded a full year of service no matter how much service time they accrued that season. It happened with Adley Rutschman two years ago. Adley wasn't called up until late May but he finished runner-up for ROY to J-Rod so he ended up getting the full year of service time anyway.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 8:26 am to Schmelly
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This has nothing to do with it. They have him for an extra year no matter when he gets called up now
No they don't, as I explained with the new rookie of the year rules.
The top 2 rookie of the year vote receivers in EACH league get service time counted this year.
It's very possible for him to get called up right now and STILL be in the top 2 in the national league if he dominates.
This post was edited on 5/1/24 at 8:26 am
Posted on 5/1/24 at 11:04 am to imAMAZING
This is what happens when you have cheap arse owners trying to save some money on control vs doing what’s right.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 11:33 am to slackster
How long do they have to keep him down there in order to get the extra year?
IMO with pitchers' lifespans varying so bigly the Pirates should just throw normal "strategy" out the window and let the kid eat in the bigs. He seems like the type of guy who'd appreciate that and would repay them with a sense of loyalty down the road despite them "losing" a year contractually.
IMO with pitchers' lifespans varying so bigly the Pirates should just throw normal "strategy" out the window and let the kid eat in the bigs. He seems like the type of guy who'd appreciate that and would repay them with a sense of loyalty down the road despite them "losing" a year contractually.
This post was edited on 5/1/24 at 11:35 am
Posted on 5/1/24 at 11:47 am to RemouladeSawce
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Service time aside, he’s thrown 23 minor league innings. He’s gone through a full lineup twice a total of 1 time. He’s not going to be called up to pitch an inning or two of relief every other day, he’s going to be called up as a starter. There’s no reason to rush him before until he’s at least closer to averaging 75 pitches a game (his minors high so far). He’ll be up by June
There’s also been a serious trend of power pitcher injuries and the Pirates aren’t going to be stupid about it. He’s 21 and the likely cornerstone of that franchise for a decade. They aren’t competing for a WS this year and will likely be out of the playoff picture early. Gradually easing him in with several more AAA outings, giving him his first taste of the majors over the summer, and shutting him down early fall is 100% what they should be doing
Right, but there is no evidence that babying the arm and placing these pitch count and innings limits on pitchers is reducing injuries. Guys are getting hurt left and right even when clubs are careful with them. Skenes himself has indicated that he's wanted to throw more often than they've allowed.
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The service time thing makes some sense, but it's also not as relevant for pitchers since they get hurt all the time these days. You need to get what you can out of them while they are still affordable and healthy. There is no guarantee this guy is going to be some decade-long cornerstone player.
And if he comes up and wins ROY, they get an extra draft pick, which was supposed to incentivize teams to call up their best prospects when they're ready, which Skenes very clearly is. With the expanded playoffs, no one is out of it at this point (except the truly awful teams like the White Sox). Play to win games with your best players.
This post was edited on 5/1/24 at 11:49 am
Posted on 5/1/24 at 3:43 pm to RemouladeSawce
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He’s 21 and the likely cornerstone of that franchise for a decade.
I mean 6.5 years till he it out of team control.
Pirates cheap AF
Posted on 5/1/24 at 3:53 pm to slackster
His greatest accomplishment
Posted on 5/1/24 at 4:02 pm to Zendog
Bless you.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 4:08 pm to Zendog
You think he’s smashed yet?
Posted on 5/1/24 at 4:14 pm to Zendog
I was telling my buddies the other day
dude is 6’6”
1st round pick
CWS champion
Can throw 100 mph
Dating Livvy Dunn and you know what?
I bet he can dunk.
It’s Paul Skenes world. we’re just living in it
dude is 6’6”
1st round pick
CWS champion
Can throw 100 mph
Dating Livvy Dunn and you know what?
I bet he can dunk.
It’s Paul Skenes world. we’re just living in it
Posted on 5/1/24 at 4:28 pm to imAMAZING
quote:It's all bullshite to delay the arbitration years. Cubs did the same shite with Kris Bryant. He could start for the Pirates tomorrow.
Baseball is so weird that you have to spend a couple months of even years in the minor leagues to make it to the big leagues
This post was edited on 5/1/24 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 5/1/24 at 4:46 pm to Bench McElroy
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That's 100% not true. The top two finishers for Rookie of the Year are automatically awarded a full year of service no matter how much service time they accrued that season. It happened with Adley Rutschman two years ago. Adley wasn't called up until late May but he finished runner-up for ROY to J-Rod so he ended up getting the full year of service time anyway.
Well it’s still has nothing to do with why he’s not being called up immediately
Posted on 5/1/24 at 4:47 pm to Drewbie
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It's all bullshite to delay the arbitration years. Cubs did the same shite with Kris Bryant. He could start for the Pirates tomorrow.
Cubs blatantly did it. That’s not what the pirates are doing
Posted on 5/1/24 at 4:48 pm to Schmelly
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Well it’s still has nothing to do with why he’s not being called up immediately
It seems they are gonna intentionally prolong extending his outings gradually so that by the time they call him up he won't be able to start enough games to have a shot at rookie of the year votes.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 4:50 pm to Schmelly
quote:K.
That’s not what the pirates are doing
Posted on 5/1/24 at 4:56 pm to Schmelly
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That’s not what the pirates are doing
If it was just about picking the best 25 guys, Skenes would have been on their roster out of spring training. They may not be doing things as badly as the Cubs did but they’re still doing it
Posted on 5/1/24 at 5:28 pm to Drewbie
Any team would gladly trade a year of service time for a ROY & an extra 1st rd draft pick. Y’all done lost yall mind
This post was edited on 5/1/24 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 5/1/24 at 5:35 pm to Schmelly
There is literally precedent already set that goes directly against that claim.
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