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Posted on 7/14/25 at 7:51 am to Madking
I guarantee you, Ken Griffey Jr. had hellacious launch angle and exit velocity during his career,
So, I would wager, did people like Henry Aaron, Ted Williams, Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle, Stan Musial, Willlie Mays, Joe DiMaggio, Frank Robinson, Roberto Clemente, Shoeless Joe Jackson and countless other greats.
The thing is, nobody thought to quantify it.
And even though I believe in analytics … batting average actually is an analytic, just an old-school one … I have never paid a bit of attention to launch angle and exit velocity. Because it’s OCD silliness to quantify that.
So, I would wager, did people like Henry Aaron, Ted Williams, Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle, Stan Musial, Willlie Mays, Joe DiMaggio, Frank Robinson, Roberto Clemente, Shoeless Joe Jackson and countless other greats.
The thing is, nobody thought to quantify it.
And even though I believe in analytics … batting average actually is an analytic, just an old-school one … I have never paid a bit of attention to launch angle and exit velocity. Because it’s OCD silliness to quantify that.
This post was edited on 7/14/25 at 7:52 am
Posted on 7/14/25 at 8:18 am to West Palm Tiger561
Gorilla Ball.
Made the game unwatchable.
Made the game unwatchable.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 8:33 am to InkStainedWretch
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Ken Griffey Jr. had hellacious launch angle and exit velocity during his career,
Of course
His hitting philosophy is his own & how he best applies it to his own at bat for him to have success.
Other hitters will explain their approach differently but in the end they are all chasing the same result, and most of the time are doing the same things with different wording.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 8:40 am to YouKnowImRight
One of my favorite managers who ever lived was Billy Martin. I don’t think any manager before or since could combine all the elements of the game … contact, power, speed, situational play (bunting, etc.) … into a more successful and above all entertaining to watch offense.
His Billy Ball teams in Oakland are held up as this example of winning with small ball, but even with Rickey running wild and Billy calling triple steals he had multiple people who could hit the ball over the wall.
I will state for the record, however, is that the one thread in his offenses in general … other than the mindset that he was going to constantly attack you and go for your weaknesses … was high OBP. But I doubt he ever kept a record of it or had someone quantify it, he just knew.
His Billy Ball teams in Oakland are held up as this example of winning with small ball, but even with Rickey running wild and Billy calling triple steals he had multiple people who could hit the ball over the wall.
I will state for the record, however, is that the one thread in his offenses in general … other than the mindset that he was going to constantly attack you and go for your weaknesses … was high OBP. But I doubt he ever kept a record of it or had someone quantify it, he just knew.
This post was edited on 7/14/25 at 11:09 am
Posted on 7/14/25 at 9:29 am to InkStainedWretch
Ted Williams (The Art of Hitting) actually believed the best swing was a slight upswing.
He also preached seeing as many pitches as possible, only swinging at pitches you could handle, and taking the walk if you didn't get pitches to hit.
He also preached seeing as many pitches as possible, only swinging at pitches you could handle, and taking the walk if you didn't get pitches to hit.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 9:35 am to FightinTigersDammit
And people in his day called him selfish for doing that, thought he should “get the bat off his shoulder” more. Of course if he’d done that he wouldn’t have hit .344 for his career.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 9:49 am to Madking
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The most important stat for a hitter is BA with runners in scoring position. Period.
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Good point
Now this is moving the goal post
the thread started talking about BA, not BA w RISP quote:
For some reason these idiots think doubles, triples and homers
you sure do like your strawmen. One of the favorite stats of SABRmetrics is OPS, which is OBP + Slugging Percentage which gives more weight to extra base hits
Posted on 7/14/25 at 9:50 am to H-Town Tiger
And is this where we talk about BA with RISP has next to no year to year correlation?
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:04 am to WestCoastAg
Well PJ and Madking are the ones touting it so that should tell you what you need to know
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:05 am to West Palm Tiger561
Clearly it's all those no swing strike threes that are actually balls...
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:09 am to InkStainedWretch
One of Martin's former players, either Nettles or Lyle, said Billy was always managing two or three innings ahead. He said he never saw a manager get the hitter he wanted to face the pitcher he wanted him to face the way Billy Martin could do it.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:35 am to FightinTigersDammit
Billy once said the key to his managing ability is that he discovered from a very young age that watching from the dugout he could see what was happening at all nine positions simultaneously. I mentioned that to an old friend of mine who was a championship college baseball coach and he told me Billy was crazy, but Billy swore he could do that.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:59 am to InkStainedWretch
Oakland finished in the bottom half of MLB in OBP in 80, 81 and 82 and got worse every year on obp during those three years
I didn’t look at every year of his career, but through about ‘75 he was above the median line a couple of times, below a couple of times, and at the line a couple of times. I didn’t see any trend during those years. The year his team led the league in OBP, they also lead in batting average
That was also the only time in the early years where they had multiple guys playing as starters with that big BA to on base split with Sundberg, Burroughs and Hargrove all having more than 70 points difference
Other than Rickey, that really wasn’t the ba to OBP spread didn’t seem to be prominent in his Oakland years. A few years Dwayne Murphy had a spread and Carney Landsford had that spread at the end of his tenure
I didn’t look at every year of his career, but through about ‘75 he was above the median line a couple of times, below a couple of times, and at the line a couple of times. I didn’t see any trend during those years. The year his team led the league in OBP, they also lead in batting average
That was also the only time in the early years where they had multiple guys playing as starters with that big BA to on base split with Sundberg, Burroughs and Hargrove all having more than 70 points difference
Other than Rickey, that really wasn’t the ba to OBP spread didn’t seem to be prominent in his Oakland years. A few years Dwayne Murphy had a spread and Carney Landsford had that spread at the end of his tenure
Posted on 7/14/25 at 11:10 am to dukkbill
You are right and I just went back and adjusted my post a little. I did a quick run through of his career and I think I skimmed over Oakland. In general from 1969 onward his teams had good OBPs. Including those 1980s Yankee teams that were strong but he couldn’t quite get them over the hump.
This post was edited on 7/14/25 at 11:14 am
Posted on 7/14/25 at 11:34 am to RandySavage
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This is assuming you have 9 gorillas in the lineup. Some guys have no business swinging for the fences and would be better served trying to get on base to maximize opportunities for the guys who can mash.
The problem with analytics is its inability to understand simple nuance.
And having baserunners on puts pressure on the pitcher and infield.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 11:35 am to IAmNERD
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Would Tony Gwynn even make a team today? He averaged less than 7 HR per season for his career.
Yes, he would.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 11:37 am to West Palm Tiger561
Double post.
My bad.
My bad.
This post was edited on 7/14/25 at 11:40 am
Posted on 7/14/25 at 11:38 am to West Palm Tiger561
Pitching around the league is great. The Rangers team era is 3.28, which leads the league, and they're in 3rd place in the AL West.
MLB Team ERA on MLB.com
MLB Team ERA on MLB.com
Posted on 7/14/25 at 12:20 pm to Madking
Cope what? Lol
I don’t even watch pro baseball. I’m just assuming since the batting averages are way down the pitching has gotten harder to hit. But I guess I’ll cope
I don’t even watch pro baseball. I’m just assuming since the batting averages are way down the pitching has gotten harder to hit. But I guess I’ll cope
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