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re: No charges filed against Jameis Winston

Posted on 11/24/13 at 11:58 pm to
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 11/24/13 at 11:58 pm to
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Remember how all the pics and info about Trayvon came out?

And many wanted Zimmerman let off the hook. Yet he was charged and went to court. So whether you agree or not, its settled

But saying, we're not charging JW, because we know something you dont know, will light the world on fire

Go to court, let both lawyers have their go, and settle it. If the victim is willing to be tarnished in court, that says a lot
Posted by TC16
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2010
2531 posts
Posted on 11/25/13 at 12:05 am to
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But saying, we're not charging JW, because we know something you dont know, will light the world on fire


Well I agree, but what if there is legitimate evidence such as text messages/pictures of them together? Or her story just fell apart?

My first reaction was that Winston will be charged and this will go to court but the longer this drags out I am beginning to think this is far from settled.
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 11/25/13 at 12:15 am to
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Or her story just fell apart?

If her story is, I had 2 drinks, went to an apt. With friends. Woke up in a bedroom with wet panties, and was bleeding. And the TPD said I wasnt drunk per BAC.

Not sure how that story falls apart regardless of anything else.
Posted by TC16
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2010
2531 posts
Posted on 11/25/13 at 12:26 am to
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If her story is, I had 2 drinks, went to an apt. With friends. Woke up in a bedroom with wet panties, and was bleeding. And the TPD said I wasnt drunk per BAC


Ok very possible but how does she identify Winston as her rapist if it went down this way? According to the most recent statements she had no doubt about it being rape and about it being Winston.

I understand where you're coming from though but we could go back and forth on this all night. I don't think this is as clear cut as you make it out to be. We haven't heard Winston's side, Meggs has. We don't know what the affidavits say, Meggs does. We don't know if there was bruises or not, Meggs does. On and on...

But there is no way either of us can say this is settled. If this is as clear cut as you make it out to be, what do you think the hold up is? (Honest question)
This post was edited on 11/25/13 at 12:29 am
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
37525 posts
Posted on 11/25/13 at 3:42 am to
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Ok very possible but how does she identify Winston as her rapist if it went down this way? According to the most recent statements she had no doubt about it being rape and about it being Winston.


I'm stumped as to how that is that a legitimate issue if there is DNA evidence from Winston in her underwear.
Posted by TC16
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2010
2531 posts
Posted on 11/25/13 at 4:18 am to
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I'm stumped as to how that is that a legitimate issue if there is DNA evidence from Winston in her underwear.


Not denying that they had sex (consensual or non-consensual) He was proposing a scenario as to how it could have gone down. I highly doubt that this scenario happened if she had no doubts about it being Winston. If you read her side of the story, she claims it was Winston and she was not drunk. I highly doubt she could 100% confirm Winston was the attacker if she just went to sleep and woke up like that.

I find it quite ridiculous that someone who thinks this is "settled" can't give a reason as to what is taking so long for Meggs to charge him. You would swear he knows something we don't. I believe there is a good chance Winston is charged. He believes there is no evidence that can be presented to avoid charges because of "public outrage"

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but he has posted incorrect information multiple times. (Jansen released the height/weight when in reality this was found in the TPD police report put out by media/TMZ) It is clear as day that he has it out for Winston or FSU. Just conversation
This post was edited on 11/25/13 at 4:32 am
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
37525 posts
Posted on 11/25/13 at 4:21 am to
I'm still confused by your statement so I assume you mean something other than what I'm reading.

It doesn't matter whether or not she should or should not be confused about who the rapist was. If she did not consent to sex and the DNA matches that to Winston then her ability to identify the assailant becomes irrelevant because the DNA does that more reliably that eyewitness accounts ever could.
Posted by TC16
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2010
2531 posts
Posted on 11/25/13 at 4:27 am to
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I'm still confused by your statement so I assume you mean something other than what I'm reading.


It is. You can scroll up and read the conversation but basically he was saying there is no evidence that could be presented by Jansen/Winston that could avoid charges and I disagree with that. I gave him an example of how Winston could be cleared. She met with Meggs last week and if her story began to fall apart along with affidavits on Winston's side or any other good evidence there is a chance he will be cleared. "Public outrage" is not enough to charge someone for rape if her story falls apart or worthy evidence is presented to Meggs.

This is all hypothetical of course, I am not attacking her in any way. For all I know she may be telling the truth 100%
This post was edited on 11/25/13 at 4:28 am
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
37525 posts
Posted on 11/25/13 at 4:33 am to
Let's make the assumption that the news story about DNA evidence is legitimate. Given the public scrutiny and the DNA evidence I don't think they will fail to charge him.

Even if the case becomes a "he said, she said" (it was or wasn't consensual) there is proof of sexual contact and an allegation by the woman that there was no consent.

Whether a jury would find that evidence alone good enough to convict seems like a very different issue... if they are FSU fans I doubt that would ever happen.
Posted by TC16
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2010
2531 posts
Posted on 11/25/13 at 4:43 am to
I have no doubts about the DNA being his. I have said that it will probably go to court and if it is still a he said/she said thing it will definitely go to court. However, with DNA confirmation and the fact that Meggs knows whether there were bruises or signs of force from that night it would be plenty enough to charge him immediatedly (last week)

Now that doesn't mean Winston is cleared but it is definitely enough to bring charges (if there were bruises) Meggs continues to push the date back saying they have to look into a few more things. Some people feel that is evidence, could be phone records/text records/emails/social media. I think if any legit evidence surfaced from that, there is a chance he could be cleared.
This post was edited on 11/25/13 at 4:51 am
Posted by EnjoyBoy
Florida
Member since Dec 2012
76 posts
Posted on 11/25/13 at 6:27 am to
Case is being dropped will be public today.
Posted by massiveattack
CharLIT/Chapel Chill
Member since Oct 2010
11584 posts
Posted on 11/25/13 at 7:04 am to
Link? Meggs told AP nothing will be decided until after thanksgiving.
Posted by tigerpimpbot
Chairman of the Pool Board
Member since Nov 2011
69088 posts
Posted on 11/25/13 at 7:13 am to
quote:

Case is being dropped will be public today.


Lulz
Posted by alabamabuckeye
Member since Jun 2010
22352 posts
Posted on 11/25/13 at 7:29 am to
Presser at 4?

It's amazing how many people know what's going on!
Posted by SECSolomonGrundy
Slaughter Swamp
Member since Jun 2012
18328 posts
Posted on 11/25/13 at 7:32 am to
quote:

Case is being dropped will be public today


Posted by ElephasMaximus
Alabama
Member since Nov 2013
88 posts
Posted on 11/25/13 at 7:38 am to
I'm still on the fence. What scares me is that this kinda of thing could happen to any man on this board who has ever had a one night stand, but I guess that's just a risk we take.

What's interesting is the whole date rape drug issue. If this is true it doesn't matter if they had a prior relationship or not.

Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
20110 posts
Posted on 11/25/13 at 7:55 am to
quote:

Case is being dropped will be public today.


Like clockwork every morning.

The case has been dropped like 10 times according to these FSU fans reliable sources.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128779 posts
Posted on 11/25/13 at 8:19 am to
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If somehow the girl ends up getting charged 808bass and league champs will be on suicide watch

You're an idiot. If, after a real investigation, the attorney's office decides there's not enough evidence to proceed, I won't be bothered one bit. I could care less if Jameis Winston never plays another game or if he wins the Heisman and the Natty. I would like something resembling justice to come out of this. You should, too. Or you can base your opinion of the case on a sporting event. Your choice.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128779 posts
Posted on 11/25/13 at 8:27 am to
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I find it quite ridiculous that someone who thinks this is "settled" can't give a reason as to what is taking so long for Meggs to charge him

I don't think anything is "settled." But geez. The case has only been at the SAO's office for not 2 weeks. I've seen lesser charges with less publicity surrounding the case take far longer. Winston isn't a flight risk. They don't have to charge him to keep him from lighting out to Venezuela. So I'm not sure what the rush is.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128779 posts
Posted on 11/25/13 at 8:30 am to
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"Public outrage" is not enough to charge someone
Someone has been in a coma for a few years. Jk. Unfortunately, public outrage is quite enough of a reason to charge someone these days. I certainly don't hope Meggs charges JW just because of this.
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