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re: NFL owners would hire a HC who is purple
Posted on 2/3/22 at 9:42 am to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 2/3/22 at 9:42 am to H-Town Tiger
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H-Town Tiger
It's evident what hill you're climbing in this thread, but I do agree that Leftwich should garner some HC interest. Kind of tough to argue that Hackett deserves a HC offer because he's worked with Rodgers but not give that same credit to Leftwich with Brady.
Jags seem like a nice spot for him given his playing days there and the young roster to grow alongside himself as a young coach. However, there are reports out there saying Leftwich wants the current GM fired before he accepts the HC position. Who knows if there's any merit to that or not but I kind of see both sides on that: One, it feels ridiculous for a first time HC to start dropping ultimatums but on the other side of the coin, I'm not sure I'd be real ecstatic about working for a potential lame duck GM either.
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Posted on 2/3/22 at 9:46 am to H-Town Tiger
Daboll was in charge of an entire offense by himself because McDermott is a defensive coach. Designed the offense, coached the plays, developed players. Probably did most of the offensive assistant hiring.
Developed a very raw QB into maybe the best qb in the league over 3-4 years through coaching and scheme.
Leftwhich and bienemy don’t design their own offenses, haven’t shown they can develop a quarterback from scratch, probably didn’t hire assistants or do most of the offensive gamplanning, etc etc
McDaniels isn’t as stark as Daboll, but he has a longer track record and at least is the primary offensive guy on his staff. He’s also shown success when guys like Brisset, Cassel, and Garropollo played of still have a decent offense and developing qbs.
Your best comp is Hackett. But Daboll and McDaniels are much better HC candidates on paper than Bienemy and leftwhich
Developed a very raw QB into maybe the best qb in the league over 3-4 years through coaching and scheme.
Leftwhich and bienemy don’t design their own offenses, haven’t shown they can develop a quarterback from scratch, probably didn’t hire assistants or do most of the offensive gamplanning, etc etc
McDaniels isn’t as stark as Daboll, but he has a longer track record and at least is the primary offensive guy on his staff. He’s also shown success when guys like Brisset, Cassel, and Garropollo played of still have a decent offense and developing qbs.
Your best comp is Hackett. But Daboll and McDaniels are much better HC candidates on paper than Bienemy and leftwhich
This post was edited on 2/3/22 at 9:51 am
Posted on 2/3/22 at 9:46 am to sabes que
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NFL owners would hire a HC who is purple
I believe the Minnesota Vikings would especially be inclined to hire a purple-skinned head coach, as this would make for wonderful marketing opportunities.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 9:48 am to H-Town Tiger
Post a picture of him and let’s decide if he’s black or not.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 9:51 am to sabes que
This is an objective thing, unless you’re one of those “identify” people which would be quite the plot twist
Posted on 2/3/22 at 9:52 am to BenDover
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You're looking for an objective answer, but the real answer is likely that the Giants GM is in his first year as a true General Manager so I'm sure you would agree that it makes sense for him to go the safe route and hire the OC from a prolific offense that he's worked with for the last 3 years.
That’s my point. It’s 100% subjective. The OP is the one saying it’s “objective” that they’ll hire the best but in most of these situations there is no clear best. So sure it makes sense for a guy from the bills to hire Bills coach. Maybe if he was from Miami he would have hired Flores. But it’s not 100% merit.
With 7 black GMs now there’s clear progress, I think Flores lawsuit is counter productive and may hurt him and other black coaches going forward. It’s pretty ridiculous that him and Culley were fired but that’s because the Dolphins and Texans are dysfunctional organizations.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 9:56 am to H-Town Tiger
The Dolphins and Texans are absolutely dysfunctional… and head coaches head’s roll all the time because of this. Black or white
Posted on 2/3/22 at 10:01 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:The same could be said about you tho. You are fiercely arguing that Leftwich deserves a head job right now. Why is he more qualified than the guys that did get the jobs? Jim Harbaugh just got turned down for the Vikings job and he has more experience than any of these guys. They are choosing the person that they want to work with and think can win games for them. Maybe race comes in and maybe it doesn't. But why is it ALWAYS brought up that race is main factor? There could be a million reasons why someone is preferred over the other candidate.
You are coming up excuses errr reasons why Leftwich should not be a head coach
Posted on 2/3/22 at 10:18 am to sabes que
quote:No, if there's an issue, it's more subconscious, not that 32 owners are proactively and directly trying to avoid black coaches.
So do you really think a given NFL owner is saying to himself, “yea we could win more games with candidate A(who happens to be black) but I am going to go with candidate B(who is white) “
Posted on 2/3/22 at 10:19 am to StrongOffer
Ask yourself this. Is Tom Brady the reason the Bucs offense has been good? Or is it Byron Leftwich?
Posted on 2/3/22 at 10:19 am to sabes que
quote:You're starting from an incorrect perspective IMO.
I absolutely do not and can not believe these people whose livelihoods 100 percent depend on wins
Their livelihoods are not 100% dependent on winning.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 10:23 am to shel311
And the owners still want to win. Even if their livelihoods don’t depend on it.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 10:28 am to sabes que
Something tells me that all of this is to force the NFL to convince an owner to sell to a Black group.. If a team (s) is owned by a Black group then all will be quit about the Black head coaches..
Posted on 2/3/22 at 10:43 am to Athis
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If a team (s) is owned by a Black group then all will be quit about the Black head coaches..
Why is this the assumption? There are 7 black General Managers in the NFL and obviously are responsible for personnel decisions. 6 of the 7's most recent HC hire was a white guy. The lone black GM whose most recent HC hire was not a white guy is Chris Grier in Miami. Is the assumption that owners are overuling the GM's in the hiring decisions or are the black GMs also complicit in the alleged bias against black men as HC?
Posted on 2/3/22 at 10:46 am to sabes que
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So do you really think a given NFL owner is saying to himself, “yea we could win more games with candidate A(who happens to be black) but I am going to go with candidate B(who is white) “
No, but there are definitely owners who sincerely, and incorrectly, think B is more "cerebral" than A.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 10:48 am to Bestbank Tiger
are there? What proof do you have? Dude in this thread is saying Byron Leftwich was discriminated against. In your opinion who is more responsible for the Bucs offense being good the last two seasons, Tom Brady or Byron Leftwich?
Posted on 2/3/22 at 10:50 am to sabes que
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NFL owners would hire a HC who is purple
Strongly disagree. They said no this man.
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Posted on 2/3/22 at 10:51 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
quote:Who is more black, Tua or Colin Kaepernick?
Tua isn’t black mate
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